I asked my brother about the current army emphasis on grappling. His reply began and ended with "fun".

Hawkeye, would you extend that to mma as well? Vargas mentioned awhile ago a specific prohibition against competing by those in the army. Guess a bunch of rangers got fucked up.

USMC H2H is no big deal.

one day in the pit for fun, with some pugil sticks.

and then a lot of training with guns.

oh, and humping too.

hmmm, did one day sentry silencing in Oki.

not much to it.

Leathernecks use weapons.

Peace.

KTK

I 3/3 Wpns, O341 (some time ago)

Peace.

KTK

Why the **** would you want to go to the ground and grapple someone in combat? Have you every grappled on the ground with full webbing and a flack jacket **** that!

If I'm that close the last thing I'm going to do is grapple with the mother.

:5butthead


I think the idea is they need h2h in cases of "close combat" where two groups end up on top of each other. It probably also comes in handy if the guy ends up as a POW and tries to escape at some point.

In general, I think the Marines just pride themselves as being bad-ass mofos. Especially the special forces guys (who actually do need to kill without making noise (modern ninjas)). Besides, I've talked to Marines and they don't spend as much time "war training" as you might think. And even if they do, I'm sure it get's really fucking boring. MA is probably a way to keep the guys training, keep them fit and teach them something that might possibly save their lives one day.

I believe the order is... fix bayonets.

I'm sure that Jo and Bokken training would help for those bayonet moments ;-)

Though, I'm sure you'd rather exhaust the ammo in your pistol first ;-)

I think the idea is they need h2h in cases of "close combat" where two groups end up on top of each other.They'd still shoot the motherfuckers rather than roll with them.
It probably also comes in handy if the guy ends up as a POW and tries to escape at some point.This is not "Missing in Action" starring Chuck Norris. The ability to run fast and for a long time is a far more essential martial skill in a SERE situation.


In general, I think the Marines just pride themselves as being bad-ass mofos.Yes they do.
Especially the special forces guysThe Marine Corps doesn't officially have a "special forces". MEUSOCs are a completely different beast than the convential thought of what "special forces" are.
(who actually do need to kill without making noise (modern ninjas)).MP5SD does a much more efficient job.
Besides, I've talked to Marines and they don't spend as much time "war training" as you might think.Prepping to deploy they do. Were the Marines you talked to actually grunts or were they just "playing one on TV"?
And even if they do, I'm sure it get's really fucking boring.It can.
MA is probably a way to keep the guys training,Yes
keep them fitYes
and teach them something that might possibly save their lives one day.Not likely.

They'd still shoot the motherfuckers rather than roll with them. This is not "Missing in Action" starring Chuck Norris. The ability to run fast and for a long time is a far more essential martial skill in a SERE situation.

Yes they do. The Marine Corps doesn't officially have a "special forces". MEUSOCs are a completely different beast than the convential thought of what "special forces" are. MP5SD does a much more efficient job.Prepping to deploy they do. Were the Marines you talked to actually grunts or were they just "playing one on TV"? It can. Yes Yes Not likely.


;-)

Yeah, I don't think it's very likely that they'll ever use grappling in the course of combat or POW. Too many guns and knives around ;-)

But I'm sure it could help them from getting their ass kicked in some bar overseas "or stateside" by some dickhead motorcycle barfighter (the guys who seek out bar fights and WIN all the time are the ones your REALLY need to worry about).

The marines I talked to were given "easy assignment" to Hawaii. Yeah, I'm sure they go through heavy training periods. I'm not saying that Marines are slackers.

I went through LINE training when I first went through boot camp, then eventually became a green belt instructor in MCMAP. The MCMAP program deals primarily with the following:

Stance and mobility (modified boxing stance and movement drills)
Breakfalls and shoulder roll
Upper-body strikes (punches, hooks, uppercuts, hammer fists, eye gouges, palm strikes, and elbows)
Lower-body strikes (front kick, round kick, and knees)
Basic wrist lock and reverse wrist lock
Parrying punches and kicks while getting offcenter
Escapes from headlocks, bear hugs, and the like
Blood chokes
Armbar from guard and mount
Free grappling
Knives, bayonets, and improvised weapons (Kevlars, E-tools, clubs, etc.)
Some weapon disarms
Some defenses against if a foe grabs at your rifle and ways to take him down

Along with some other techniques, warriorship studies (The Spartans, Apaches, etc.) plus impact conditioning, sparring, and some other things. It's a step in the right direction but there still is a lot of it that needs to be fixed up in my opinion.

'Prepping to deploy they do. Were the Marines you talked to actually grunts or were they just "playing one on TV"? '

lol!