No, it's a high guard. Both arms are inside, but your left leg is over their right shoulder, and you reclose guard. The Baret Yoshida tapes are GREAT, I think. Especially for the triangle stuff.

Mikus is correct.

How is a leg over a shoulder without having one arm out? Pics?

Yea I'm pretty confused here and need visual clarification...what is being described to me is basically holding someone in a guard type position that merely emulated the position that you want to get someone into to triangle them anyways. If you have one leg over their shoulder and bother arms inside, isn't it fairly damn simple to get out of that (no gi at least)?

Aesopian, does your instructor teach the rubber guard at all? I know you've got long legs, I'm not sure about your flexibility. It was suggested to me and I was having a ball with triangles, oma's, and gogo's from it pre-injury.

Kevin

****, just get on icq whiteshark.

I love cross-lapel choke from guard. I usually do it from double-hooks in (butterfly), rather than closed. I can get it on brown belts and below (haven't got it on a black belt yet though, but it's just a matter of time). To say no one should get caught with this technique is just wrong. Margarida tapped Fabio Gurgel with this and Fabio had never tapped in a competition before this. Joe Moreira loves this choke too. Ryron loves this choke.

It might be easy to defend, but so is any technique. If my set-ups are superior, then he's going to get caught.

What exactly is rubber guard? Is that just using a a high guard while using your hands to pull on your legs and whatnot? If so, why does Eddie Bravo get all the credit for it, and not Nino Schembri and others who always use it?

Originally posted by JohnnyS
I love cross-lapel choke from guard. I usually do it from double-hooks in (butterfly), rather than closed. I can get it on brown belts and below (haven't got it on a black belt yet though, but it's just a matter of time). To say no one should get caught with this technique is just wrong. Margarida tapped Fabio Gurgel with this and Fabio had never tapped in a competition before this. Joe Moreira loves this choke too. Ryron loves this choke.

It might be easy to defend, but so is any technique. If my set-ups are superior, then he's going to get caught.

I would like to modify my statement to:

I have not been caught by this technique by anyone at my level.

Which is vastly lower than yours.

:)

To be fair, I never got nor worked cross-lapel choke from guard until I got to Brown belt. Same as Big Dave from my club who now gets it from closed guard and mount. However one of the guys I train with who is also now a black belt has been choking nearly everyone with cross-lapel and ezekial chokes since he was a white belt, even from under mount. However, he is freakishly strong.

So I'm only on ICQ/AIM/Yahoo duribng the week, but I am on now...

How 'bout that picture? I need to see this whacky guard position and I can't find anything on it.

Offense from the guard position...hmmm. I dunno to me it sounds like if you want to get offensive advantage, you might wanna get out of the guard (which sounds like a defensive position). But hell what do i know, i'm no ground fighter.

Originally posted by BirdmanJ
But hell what do i know, i'm no ground fighter.

That is key here. Learn yourself some grappling. Every night this week I have been controlling and submitting heavier opponents from my guard.

The guard is ALL about attacking, whether it be with sweeps or submissions. If you're defensive then you're reacting to him. You want to push his buttons so he has to react to you or he'll end up passing your guard. If the guy can't get his base, or posture, is constantly in a bad position, or is constantly defending sweeps and submissions then he can't pass your guard.

Aesopian,

If you try and submit me I shall promptly respond with t3h anti-gr4ppl3...so prepare for eye gouging, biting, and nut twisting...hell...avoid all of it and just let me win! :)

Gringo Grande

Funk Master GG: YOU ARE NO MATCH FOR MY CHI.

That said, I actually was able to do a crooked guard, I think. I just kept climbing my guard until I was able to get my right leg over their left shoulder, while they still had both arms inside. I was automatically threatening an armbar on them from the position, and just had to push their left arm out to go for triangle. It's just subtly different than the "ain't this just the beginning of the triangle" position.

Brrtz! Gringo or anyone else, do you have advice on the rubber guard?

All I can find our these two triangle setups by Mr. Bravo:

http://www.grapplearts.com/Rubber-Guard-Setup-1.htm
http://www.grapplearts.com/Rubber-Guard-Setup-2.htm

And this guillotine from the rubber guard by a Sherdogger:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=192259&perpage=20&pagenumber=2#post4575269

Pictures would be nice, because I'm still not really sure what the rubber guard consists of, other than "ITL BOLW MY FCKN MIDN".