Also, training method. Traditional Japanese Jiujitsu did not have randori (or at least it was very rare). Brazilian jiu-jitsu took its training methods from judo, so it has lots and lots of randori.

JJJ is more in the closet than BJJ. it's like homos in boston vs. homos in san francisco.

I've never trained Japanese JJ but I've worked out with guys that do. It seems to me that they don't emphasize 'position first' the way BJJ and judo do.

Originally posted by Jenfucius
JJJ is more in the closet than BJJ. it's like homos in boston vs. homos in san francisco.

haha nice

like others have said, its just the emphasis and this can change from club to club

Talking to a guy at BJJ who used to take JJJ, he said he just drilled a lot of standing wrist and arm locks. Like mcg said, they didn't stress position really at all. You were just supposed to twist his arm arm and assume they stayed standing there.

But, if I'm not mistaken, isn't Carlos Newton trained in JJJ and that's where he gets his grappling?

I'm just relaying what the guy told me, so sorry if I didn't describe something right. He made it out like all he learned and drilled were a lot of defensive wrist locks.

Like you said though, I'm sure that different school do things different ways and I know there is more to JJJ than just wrist locks, and there is more to wrist locks than just standing there holding hands.

Freddy "position first" in BJJ an Judo means controlling the position of the other person's body (ie pinning them)

Isn't it the sparring level rather than techniques? I've heard that lot's of trad jj in the US tend to avoid hard sparring and leave that to the judo guys.

If no one minds cross-forum linking, Sherdog covered this topic very well in Difference between Ju Jitsu and Brazilian Ju Jitsu....? (http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2594156)

Originally posted by Aesopian
If no one minds cross-forum linking, Sherdog covered this topic very well in Difference between Ju Jitsu and Brazilian Ju Jitsu....? (http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2594156)


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Originally posted by Aesopian
Talking to a guy at BJJ who used to take JJJ, he said he just drilled a lot of standing wrist and arm locks. Like mcg said, they didn't stress position really at all. You were just supposed to twist his arm arm and assume they stayed standing there.

But, if I'm not mistaken, isn't Carlos Newton trained in JJJ and that's where he gets his grappling?

I'm pretty sure its JJJ and wrestling, the grappling cirriculum at his coachs' school is pretty much whatever works (BJJ/Jui Jitsu/Judo/Hapkido)

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Freddy: Aiki-jujutsu does NOT do randori the way it is taught traditionally. If it has randori nowadays, that is a recent addition.

When I say "traditional jujutsu" i'm talking about koryu stuff. Modern "traditional" jujutsu is probably a combination of a number of different styles, and it may or may not have randori.

Carlos Newton's training has been a constant source of debate over at mma.tv.

His trainer came on and clarified it for everyone. Basically, his trainer (I belive his name is Moni) trained under kosen judo people and Kashiwazaki (judo newaza legend) and also I believe had experience in Krav Maga and probably some boxing and wrestling and whatnot. Nowadays, Carlos trains with whoever can hang with him, such as boxers, judoka, wrestlers, and bjj guys.

There is BIG difference between the two.

There is "Classical JJ", which places a lot of emphasis on stand up techniques, such as wrist locks, throws, self-defense and such. It also does contain a grappling element though.

BJJ is a spin off dedicated exclusively to ground work. What I have been told is:

JJJ stress pins and holds, applying submissions without an overall strategy for positioning.

BJJ stresses positioning, and the transition from position to position, and that there is more emphasis on leverage than strength.

That's all I can tell you. If you find out more, please share.