Karen Kantzler was convicted of Murder in 1988 and sentenced to Life in prison without Parole for killing her violent husband. Her petition will be refiled this winter.

Karen Kantzler: Woman carries scars of beatings


Karen Kantzler, 51, is wracked with tremors that might be a result of the time she was thrown down on a concrete floor, or perhaps when she was smashed up against a pine tree. The bones of her nose and the cheekbones on one side of her face look like they were broken and healed badly. She has one glass eye.

"When the police came in," she said of the night Paul Kantzler died, "all they could see were all of the trophies and plaques he had on the wall." Karen met Paul, a prominent West Bloomfield Township radiologist, at Henry Ford Hospital, where she worked.

He was a macho man with a black belt in karate. He was an avid hunter with an impressive gun collection, and he enjoyed holding the guns up to Karen's head.

Karen was a disappointment to Paul. First, she couldn't produce children. Once, he drugged and raped her days after a miscarriage. "He said I couldn't 'process' a child properly," Karen said. She didn't complete her master's degree in a timely manner, so she was a burden on him financially. She signed her car and retirement over to him. She didn't work hard enough around the house. Twice, Paul became angry with the way Karen handed him firewood. Each time, he threw a log down onto her feet and broke one of her ankles. Karen thought about getting a divorce, but she couldn't afford a lawyer. She had no access to any of the $100,000 per year her husband earned. She thought about leaving, but he said he'd kill anybody who took her in. She called domestic abuse hot lines, and told them she wanted to commit suicide.

One night, in a struggle over a gun, Karen shot Paul to death. She tried to cover it up by telling police he'd committed suicide. She said she can't remember the moment the gun discharged, and she's still not sure whose hand it was in when it went off.


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I would of killed him long before that.

hey HEY! He loved her, ok. That's all that matters. The constant beating was what we Super-Thug's call "Tough Love".

Humor aside, it IS very tragic. I would like to believe our "system" works, but you have to be on top to stay on top.

I personally would be interested in knowing how many of Paul's trophies and plaques were martial arts related and to what capacity he may have worked in the "self-defense" field.

I guess anyone who takes Karate or a tradional martial art is wife beating, physcopath. Honestly if there was proof that his taking Karate drove him to beat and torture his wife then I'd understand it being here. This guy was a sick ****. I can't speak for every school of Karate but mine doesn't promote beating and torturing of our spouse.

Cast in the name of God. Ye not guilty.

It is too bad he got shot really. It would be far more fun to say, have put him in a ring with the people on this board, and cycle a new one in each round....

I guess anyone who takes Karate or a tradional martial art is wife beating, physcopath. Honestly if there was proof that his taking Karate drove him to beat and torture his wife then I'd understand it being here. This guy was a sick ****. I can't speak for every school of Karate but mine doesn't promote beating and torturing of our spouse.



My interest lay is furthering my psychoanalytical research of the martial artist. Obviously, Paul was proud of his "accomplishments," but not concerned with the abuse of his wife. People display their trophies and plaques out of a sense of self-worth or/and a testament to their "greatness" in the eyes of others. I'm curious as to how many of those items were MA related. Because if they were, what does it say to the treatment of his wife? Was he following some tenet of his art to beat women like dogs, or does it speak to the more to the kind of man attracted to the martial arts in the first place.

That aspect is a particular interest of mine. Least we forget, I was the only one out of the experts in the world to accurately profile the Maryland sniper with around a 70% accuracy rate that he was indeed a martial artist. I predicated this about 10 days before they knew anything about him and it had nothing at all to do with statistical data, but an encyclopedic understanding of the martial arts mind.




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She should of taken the ironic approach and beat the bastard to death with one of his trophies !



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”He (Master Bristol) was like a slippery fish. There was no way I could hold on to him.” -- Tomas Shurrman, Judo Expert

My friend spent 7 years in prison for killing her husband after 15 years of abuse. At her trial, the fact that she was "very abused" wasn't even allowed to be mentioned.
I believe that has changed, at least a jury can hear what led up to a killing. Sigh....

<img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle> Sam

The only way they'll even charge her is if the guy had prominent friends or family. 'Course she did lie at the outset, which may make her more likely to be prosecuted.

Sam, was your friend's abuse documented by doctor visits?

There is no excuse for this sort of behavior on his part, if it is indeed what happened she should indeed have left or whacked him a lot sooner.

KFss, You're only a self-proclaimed expert, that doesn't count. As for the Maryland Sniper, maybe you should go work for the FBI, oh wait; you predict every killer in the world was a Martial Artist. Due to the sheer preponderance of McDojos chances are a person might have taken a class. Why don't you cross check all these with little league baseball or more likely Dungeons and Dragons RPG games. Of course D&D will lead right to your mom's basement where you're playing by yourself.

How long is it before we find your obsessed self in one of these articles?






**Oh my god! I don't wanna go to THE STREET mommy! All the mean crazy psycho ninjas pick on me and take my lunch money.**

Was he following some tenet of his art to beat women like dogs,


Can you name one currently practised art that holds this as a tenet?



or does it speak to the more to the kind of man attracted to the martial arts in the first place.




I was the only one out of the experts in the world to accurately profile the Maryland sniper with around a 70% accuracy rate that he was indeed a martial artist.


I did much better than you I predicted that the sniper was a person. With that as my only criteria I achieve an accuracy of 100%. So what criteria did you choose for yourself?

> I predicated this about 10 days before they knew anything about him and it had nothing at all to do with statistical data, but an encyclopedic understanding of the martial arts mind.

So therefore you should be able to predict something of my choosing about me right?

gggeeessshhh

"If attacked fight, and fight to kill"

he's a psycho Karate has nothing to do with it.

Don't get carried away asshole because I'm gonna give you a fight that you'll never forget!

This is a rediculous posting. It is obvious that you were not personally involved with this case. I WAS. I was there right after Karen murdered Paul in his sleep. The FACTS are not presented here.


Karen Kantzler: Woman carries scars of beatings


Karen Kantzler, 51, is wracked with tremors that might be a result of the time she was thrown down on a concrete floor, or perhaps when she was smashed up against a pine tree. The bones of her nose and the cheekbones on one side of her face look like they were broken and healed badly. She has one glass eye.

"When the police came in," she said of the night Paul Kantzler died, "all they could see were all of the trophies and plaques he had on the wall." Karen met Paul, a prominent West Bloomfield Township radiologist, at Henry Ford Hospital, where she worked.

He was a macho man with a black belt in karate. He was an avid hunter with an impressive gun collection, and he enjoyed holding the guns up to Karen's head.

Karen was a disappointment to Paul. First, she couldn't produce children. Once, he drugged and raped her days after a miscarriage. "He said I couldn't 'process' a child properly," Karen said. She didn't complete her master's degree in a timely manner, so she was a burden on him financially. She signed her car and retirement over to him. She didn't work hard enough around the house. Twice, Paul became angry with the way Karen handed him firewood. Each time, he threw a log down onto her feet and broke one of her ankles. Karen thought about getting a divorce, but she couldn't afford a lawyer. She had no access to any of the $100,000 per year her husband earned. She thought about leaving, but he said he'd kill anybody who took her in. She called domestic abuse hot lines, and told them she wanted to commit suicide.

One night, in a struggle over a gun, Karen shot Paul to death. She tried to cover it up by telling police he'd committed suicide. She said she can't remember the moment the gun discharged, and she's still not sure whose hand it was in when it went off.


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This is a rediculous posting. It is obvious that you were not personally involved with this case. I WAS. I was there right after Karen murdered Paul in his sleep. The FACTS are not presented here.


Do you realize you responded to a post that was 7-1/2 years old??