I want to know why most martial artist dont inprove there game by up graded there tools and training.

For starters Ill use TKD as a example. With the internet and UFC and a bunch of other stuff they stay with in there own art and never upgrade it. Like adding wrestling and boxing in to make it a better art and getting rid of spinning kicks. My question is why dont martial arts get up graded. Where not in the stone age now is the time to upgrade martial arts. If all martail arts just up graded there arts and made it the stronger adding in all the needed stuff like kicking punching takedowns throws submissions elbows knees headbuts etc. Alot of martial arts would be alot better, but people choose to ignore the truth and condemn themselfs. I am free and people should join me.

I have no idea why most marTIAL artistS are ignorAnt. Perhaps the lack of a wOman's UFC?

Ahh, but I tease, Judo-Kid. One thing that very few people point out is how incredibly behind the times martial arts as a whole are. Like I said in a previous post, 90% of information in martial arts is still being transferred orally. True, you'll find a lot of stuff on the Internet and in books, but then, it's all pretty much ****. And while we're all very proud that you're free and that people should join you, most people simply don't get into martial arts enough to go around researching everything. When you buy a new car, do you immediately start tinkering around with the engine to make it go faster? Maybe, but most won't. And that's the difference between us and them.

Several reasons.
1) Many don't understand their own arts well enough to know it's strengths and weakness'.

2) Some that do understand their arts and don't feel the need to look outside.

3) Most just don't care if what they're doing works or not.

some more reasons
4)Lack of variety in opponents, ie taekwondo people fight taekwondo guys on taekwondo rules
5)Too much tradition and respect for the old techniques that were proven long ago
6)Inability of instructors to distinguish conditioning exercises and real techniques, ie the crescent kick which purpose is to condition the inner thigh muscles.

"said and done"

I'm actually kinda frightened by this thread (and judo-kid's spelling/grammer...ESL?) If TKD stopped doing their fruity kicks and picked up boxing punches and takedowns how would that be TKD? If you want to be a well rounded fighter (and hopefully you do)you "up graded" it on your own, or mix styles. Thats the whole point of MMA. I see incomplete styles as tools (well maybe I don't see TKD as a tool)rather than trying to weld all kinds of crazy **** onto your screwdriver to make it a super tool, its a much better idea to just get a hammer, wrench, etc as well. I personally believe that no prepackaged style is adequate. Every INDIVDUAL needs to find their own mix of what works and doesn't. If every MA tried to upgrade to become a SUPER MA, then 1) it wouldn't work and would probably suck, 2)make it harder for the discerning fighter to get what they want.

For example I used to train at this place that tried to make an integrated MMA NHB style. I went there for the Muay Thai (which was pretty good) but their BJJ was absolute ****. I ended up quiting that place because they charge for 2 arts and I only want one from them. If everybody tries to upgrade, the most likely result would be a school very strong in their specialty and HORRIBLE in their additions. Screw it pick up what you want, train in what you want, make your own SUPER MA, but realize its only SUPER for you and you alone.

Using seperate arts to focus on that aspect of training is a good idea and a lot of fighters do that. But you also need a good trainer/coach/instructor/sensei/master/mistress/whatever to help you put them together in a NHB environment. Training Valetudo is a great way in practicing that.

And if you can afford it, get a training partner one of those redman suits. Then you can do whatever you want and not have to worry... but you should wear gloves and pads yourself so you don't hurt yourself on the suit.

<Me> John, what do you know about Zen Buddhism? <John> *smacks me*
<John> I'd have to smack you sometime...

If TMAists were to adopt techniques from other arts & systems then their arts would cease to exist for they would become MMAists, not TKDists, Judo/BJJ grapplers, etc. Not an authentic one anyway. A lot of TMAists simply do not want to see their respective disciplines go extinct even though it's probably for the sake of their arts effectiveness. I personally don't disdain the idea of certain MAs going extinct in the combat arena. TMAs can still be taught as a sport and call it "martial sport" instead.

I do TKD and I upgrade myself. Of course I don't use the fancy jump spin flip kicks and all. And I don't just spar with TKDist, but with wrestlers, boxers, karatekas, and MMA guys to.

Not everyone wants to be an the most amazing fighter, though they may want to excel in their own art. In the world we live in today knowing how to fight is not necessarily gonna help you.

In my area if you pick a fight with someone who is rough they will not hesitate to pull a weapon on you, if you beat someone up they will come looking for you with 10 of their mates. Its whos willing to take it the furthest which will determine who will win the fight, would you be willing to glass someone and go to jail just to win a fight.

So why doesn't everyone crosstrain shhiiittt what the hell does it matter unless you want to compete in the ufc. Personally I crosstrain because I enjoy it but I don't disrespect a boxer or a wrestler or a wing chun practitioner.

Pete,

Judo-Kid, it's a fairly bold statement to claim MOST martial artists are being ignorant. They do what they do for a reason, as many people have already mentioned. If you really are only 16 years old, it's likely that you've barely scratched the surface of the martial arts world. You just need to grow up and see more of the world in general, and you'll realize why humans are not trying to boil themselves down into six billion carbon copies, just because a few hundred thousand (maybe a few million) think that way of existence is "the best". I mean no disrespect to you, I was 16 years old once (and for a whole year, no less).

Zheng, you must be a slow learner. I was sixteen for less than a year. Even at that it was too long.













**Youre all a-holes*

Whatever you do, do NOT buy into the whole "...you've barely scratched the surface of martial arts" bullshiit.

People wan't to believe that the arts are some secret, icredibly deep field that takes YEARS and YEARS to even remotely understand.

Bullshiit.

martial arts are about defending yourself.

Period.

Anything else you get from them is purely extra.

There are guys that have been training 2 years that enter MMA competitions and they would smear most 20 yr martial artists across the pavement like jelly. At one time it took YEARS and YEARS to get good because what was being taught was so utterly worthless that anyone but the most physically capable students could never use it without a lifetime of study and even THEN they could only use it about %10 of the time.

Times have changed.

We have access to a WEALTH of knowledge and training tips today. You can gain a good understanding of fighting and self defense in way less time than most people tell you. There just isn't all that much to it. Just like Bruce Lee said:

"A punch is just a punch, a kick is just a kick."

remminds me of my dojang, very old school, just like the dojangs a long time ago, o well.

Agree with you there PeeDee. Today we don't need kata to catalogue techniques and strategies, or standing in a horse stance for hours to build leg strength. Or hope to become a closed door student to learn some archane secrets. Basic fighting skills that should see you through at least 80% of any fight you may have should'nt take long (1-2 years). I still practice classical martial arts (TKD and karate) because I enjoy them.

the only things kata are good for is fun, fitness, and looking cool. there is no way it helps your fighting. how many times when your sparring do you throw a twin forarm block and a chambered punch?

Ignorance does'nt come into it in this contexted. I guess the point is where do you draw the line. Mauy Thai is considered the king at the moment of MA fighting. Now, it does'nt contain as much ground fighting as BJJ or Judo. Does that mean you add them? Depends. If you want to study MT, then you stick to what the creators of the system intended OR you study MMA. Perhaps its more to do with identity. Also, where does one stop adding. MT does not have fire arms training, does that mean you add that, or defencive driving. Where do you stop. I cant really believe that anyone will be able to confess to knowing everything for every situation. IMHO, one must train as hard as you can and do the best you can, true completeness cant ever be achieved.

Regards,

"Those who are skilled in combat do not become angered,
those who are skilled at winning do not become afraid.
Thus the wise win before the fight, while the ignorant fight to win." -O Sensei Ueshiba