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patfromlogan
6/15/2004 10:34am,
video link to interview:England Says Superiors Told Her She Was 'Doing Great' on http://news4colorado.com/nationworld/local_story_132222538.html

http://www.poynter.org/content/content_view.asp?id=65771
http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/herman/herman22.html
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/mag/040524_Issue/040515_Lynndie_vl.vmedium.jpg

If Jessica Lynch was the pure alabaster Joan of Arc, the perfect Barbie doll, homecoming queen from smalltown America, Lynndie England represents her exact opposite, a cigarette-dangling, wise-cracking dame in desert-camo dungarees. That Jessica's story was pure bullshit propaganda, hyped like the phony Saddam statue and the rest of the lies, is reflected in Lynndie. She sits now in jail (or sorry, detention; makes it sound like jr. High doesn't it?). Shouldn't the American media whores who devoted so much time to the deification of Jessica Lynch, now be required to interview at length the female flip side of our little imperial war?

Somehow the media is NOT reporting her one interview. It is being ignored. It should be on the front pages. It should help impeach Bush and get Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and crew fired and/or imprisoned.


Lynndie England’s explanation when asked was the chain of command.. She told a Denver TV station that she had been ordered to perform such sordid acts as pointing for the camera at a detainee’s genitals while signaling thumbs-up. England sometimes felt “kind of weird,” she said, but “to us, we were doing our jobs, which meant we were doing what we were told.”


England’s company came to Iraq to work as traffic cops; they expected to go home after a couple of months. Instead they were put to work standing guard 10 to 16 hours a day, six or seven days a week in a prison filled to three times capacity.

In her interview with Brian Maas she said, "Well, I mean, they [the photos] were for psy-op reasons." She said, "And the reasons worked. I mean, so to us, we were doing our job, which meant we were doing what we were told, and the outcome was what they wanted. They'd come back and they'd look at the pictures, and they'd state, 'Oh, that's a good tactic, keep it up. That's working. This is working. Keep doing it. It's getting what we need.'"

"I still can't really believe it," England told Maass, referring to the photos. "They just told us, 'Hey, you're doing great. Keep it up.'"

Referring to the photograph of her smiling, England said, "I was told to stand here, point thumbs up, look at the camera and take the picture."

Maass asked England who told her to do that. England replied, "Persons in my higher chain of command."

"To all of us who have been charged, we all agree that we don't feel like we were doing things that we weren't supposed to, because we were told to do them. We think everything was justified, because we were instructed to do this and to do that,"



Lynndie England is simply the scapegoat for the felonies and lies, for the war crimes and sheer human waste that has finally overtaken and (hoefully) threatens to devour the Neocons and their supporters. Private England represents all the uniformed gunbearers seduced by the slogans of patriotism who were instead doing the grim, dirty work.

The_Ghost
6/15/2004 10:38am,
How could you not love a face like that.

patfromlogan
6/15/2004 10:47am,
ok, here's the more famous one:
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/iraqis_tortured/iraqis_tortured_60min2-f.jpg

but watch her interview, she's kind of hampster cute.

The_Ghost
6/15/2004 10:52am,
No dude....just....no.

PeedeeShaolin
6/15/2004 10:55am,
I'm not really sure if she's cute man. What are you on? I've been following this whole thing pretty close so I know what you posted is true, but by saying shes cute you're giving all the doubters reason to believe you're crazy and thus cannot be trusted.

PizDoff
6/15/2004 10:55am,
Interesting....I think they got covered up.




Originally posted by patfromlogan
"To all of us who have been charged, we all agree that we don't feel like we were doing things that we weren't supposed to, because we were told to do them. We think everything was justified, because we were instructed to do this and to do that,"


From my Social Psychology class....

We will more readily do, though it may be beyond our normal moral boundaries, what a person of authority tells us to do. This transference of responsibility removes many of the inhibitions of the person acting.

PeedeeShaolin
6/15/2004 10:56am,
Although....after a few months in an Iraqi prison camp with no women in sight I just might let her ride the P train.

PizDoff
6/15/2004 11:05am,
Originally posted by PeedeeShaolin
Although....after a few months in an Iraqi prison camp with no women in sight I just might let her ride the P train.

Peedee, you're just interested in the prison abuse.

Hawkeye
6/15/2004 11:05am,
Iraqi prisoner:

"NO!!! Please infidel white trash lady! No more sex shows!!! We can't take it any more!"

I'll stop being a dick(as indicated by my other posts) and be totally serious for a moment about her and this situation.

As the largest branch of our armed forces, this man's Army has units and individuals ranging from the elite to the embarassing. Cpl. Pat Tillman is an outstanding example of the elite; the Reservists caught up in the torture debacle are the most embarassing. The army needs to take a serious look at who they recruit, why people join the Army(college, money, etc.) and how they train their soldiers. Sometimes you get what you ask for!

Hawkeye
6/15/2004 11:12am,
Peedee,

When on deployment where the native population is off limits for whatever reason, women like Lynndie England are treated like queens. South Korea is an ugly female soldiers paradise. "Tours" there last for about a year and fugly women are even referred to as "queens for a year" I know it's fucked up, but that's how it is. I still want to **** Lyndie, though.

PeedeeShaolin
6/15/2004 11:12am,
So Piz you're saying you wouldn;t let her put a leash on you and walk you around the bedroom a bit?

PizDoff
6/15/2004 1:46pm,
I admit it, I'm really into some BDSM.

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13220&perpage=15&pagenumber=3





Originally posted by Vile
That said I have had my ass handed to me by a 55kg/120lb woman a foot shorter than me. She was a full contact fighter and worked as a bouncer. Gorgeous too, but she was fast, skilled and very strong. Hell, she benched 10s with 75kg/165lbs which is more than a lot of guys can manage. You just never know.

Damn! What a turn on! A woman that beat me, and keep beating me after I beg for them to stop! I AM SO TURNED ON!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!


Er, uh, I think this act is morally reprehensible!
At least she can have a line of work outside of the Army now...

m4949
6/16/2004 7:08am,
Originally posted by Hawkeye
Peedee,

When on deployment where the native population is off limits for whatever reason, women like Lynndie England are treated like queens. South Korea is an ugly female soldiers paradise. "Tours" there last for about a year and fugly women are even referred to as "queens for a year" I know it's fucked up, but that's how it is. I still want to **** Lyndie, though.

I was recently In Korea, and all the soliders had Korean GF or Wives. Didn't seem off limits to me.

As for PVT England, was she following orders when she got gang banged by other US soliders in front of the Iraqis?

Lets just say that the secret squirles of the army did order this, I bet they didn't say "take lots of pictures"

Sorry but thoes soldiers are as responsible as anyone.

Ronin
6/16/2004 7:35am,
The excuse of "just following orders" does NOT hold up, not anymore, not for a long time.

Raven
6/16/2004 7:40am,
Originally posted by m4949

As for PVT England, was she following orders when she got gang banged by other US soliders in front of the Iraqis?



Are you making a joke or is this true???

PizDoff
6/16/2004 7:44am,
She was gangbanged? WTFH?
Was that good for moral?

Do they have videos of that?



Originally posted by ronin69
The excuse of "just following orders" does NOT hold up, not anymore, not for a long time.

No, I'm hardly saying she (or anyone else) should be cleared of guilt, as some evidence seems to indicate she was involved in this matter.
The point is, the superiors who made the decision should be the ones taking the fall as well.

Case in point (Thanks to my Social Psyc studies):
WWII concentration camps, those in charge of the major functions....ie, generals, marshals, prison officers took the fall and were put on trial. It would be quite difficult to imprison EVERY concentration camp soldier, and it would also take a large amount of time.