besides the basic concepts and ideas of judo, i dont know much about the specific techniques. what would be a proper cancellation/counter to an osotogari?

alot of people seem to know this move and think it is the end all be all of takedowns. most likely because of the WWF, where it was called the 'rock bottom'. so how would i go about keeping the osotogari from taking me to the ground?

Osotogari also happens to be one of the hardest throws to execute on a judoka. Considering that it's usually one of the first throws that they learn.

http://www.judoinfo.com/gaeshi.htm

Originally posted by meowrsx
besides the basic concepts and ideas of judo, i dont know much about the specific techniques. what would be a proper cancellation/counter to an osotogari?

alot of people seem to know this move and think it is the end all be all of takedowns. most likely because of the WWF, where it was called the 'rock bottom'. so how would i go about keeping the osotogari from taking me to the ground?


Learn some Judo. :-) Osotogari is the very first throw I learned in Judo and for me it has a very low percentage of working against other judoka. And when I say very low, I mean it will work against players who are just starting to do randori and that's about it.

That said, I work as a doorman and have used osotogari many times successfully at work since I started taking Judo in September. Clinch, throw, pin, and wait for cops to remove garbage from underneath me.

that's a kickass link, helps a heapful. i can see what you mean about osotogari on other judoka, it's very basic, to the point that non judo people try to muscle the throw without any proper body mechanics. i'll tell you though, if you don't do judo and you're not expecting that leg from the clinch, you're going down :).

I believe the traditional counter to o-soto-gari is o-soto-gari. I've had some success with sasae fake into o-soto, or o-soto fake into sasae -- Yamashita's book on O-soto-gari is truly beautiful, if you really want to get into it.

O-soto is usual a much better throw for big guys. In randori I've been driven onto my head by bigger guys who block my chin during the fall.

Look up Yamashita. However, I would recommend looking at high-percentage throws like Harai Goshi and Tai Otoshi if you're tall and lanky, or Seoi Nage variations if you are shorter than average.

Being 5'11" and 66kg, I'm working on the following for competition:

Harai Goshi (ususally ends up as an unintentional makikomi throw)
Tai otoshi
Ouchi gari
Ippon Seoi-nage for bigger guys
Uchi mata if someone ever teaches it to me.

I can rock O Soto on people who have been training for years. I am 6'3 with long ass legs, so it is easy for me. The simplest counter is O soto. I have countered it with Koshi Garuma.

how the **** does osoto gari look like the rock bottom?

i'm not such a big fan of the wwf/wwe, so i'm probably wrong. but im sure someone along the lines of the wwf was doing an osoto gari with zero hip movement.

It really kind of does. O soto is called an STO in wrestling.

Originally posted by meowrsx
that's a kickass link, helps a heapful. i can see what you mean about osotogari on other judoka, it's very basic, to the point that non judo people try to muscle the throw without any proper body mechanics. i'll tell you though, if you don't do judo and you're not expecting that leg from the clinch, you're going down :).

Sweet, sweet kuzushi. I used to muscle osoto, but now when I hit it, uke is almost falling before I reap the leg.

Originally posted by greese1
I can rock O Soto on people who have been training for years. I am 6'3 with long ass legs, so it is easy for me. The simplest counter is O soto. I have countered it with Koshi Garuma.

Nice. I'm 6'1", but my legs are short and my torso is long. It's nice to be tall, heavy, and have low hips, but it makes throws like osoto a pain. Oh well, there's always uranage. :-)

Well, you can counter with a counter osoto, a hip throw as he comes in and a sacrafice throw after he throws/trips you.
You can also pivot and try to sweep the tripping leg.

We sometimes use this osoto-gari drill as a warm up- both players hook their leg in for osoto , with their preferred grip and than try to throw.

There are many different variations, try to see how Peter Seisenbacher used to do his 'hooked-in' osoto gari. He won two olympic gold medals.
On one of his videos he shows a special counter against the 'hook in o soto'
He let's his opponent almost get his leg in and than counters with a powerful hip throw.
Difficult to describe, get the video.

I always used to kind of step over and turn into the attempts at osoto-gari and then pick my opponent up in a ura nage. Again, almost impossible to describe, partly because it's sort of instinctive and relies 100% on timing. Mess up your timing and you go down.

Doesn't work so well on bigger guys, but at my weight class (generally 66kg) I got a LOT of ippons with it.