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remington50
9/19/2017 9:41am,
Anyone done laser training for firearms? I'm talking about those little snap cap laser targets for indoor use? I'm curious about training with one (especially doing so on my "own turf") for that first shot. Also interested for the sake of price. Reducing the cost of training since I would have to drive 45 minutes for a free range (family) and buy ammo.


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BKR
9/19/2017 9:47am,
Anyone done laser training for firearms? I'm talking about those little snap cap laser targets for indoor use? I'm curious about training with one (especially doing so on my "own turf") for that first shot. Also interested for the sake of price. Reducing the cost of training since I would have to drive 45 minutes for a free range (family) and buy ammo.


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Good to help with your trigger control.

submessenger
9/19/2017 10:13am,
Unless you're trying out for a part as Roland Deschain, I don't think it's a good idea. You won't be training for the way your firearm actually works - not just the cycling of the action (unless you're revolver/DAO, but since you said "first shot," I think you already realized this limitation). Also consider kick, and the fact that you know the gun isn't armed may cause you to act differently. Noise and gunsmoke are additional stressors which you will not be able to replicate with any degree of realism using snap caps.

remington50
9/19/2017 10:20am,
Unless you're trying out for a part as Roland Deschain, I don't think it's a good idea. You won't be training for the way your firearm actually works - not just the cycling of the action (unless you're revolver/DAO, but since you said "first shot," I think you already realized this limitation). Also consider kick, and the fact that you know the gun isn't armed may cause you to act differently. Noise and gunsmoke are additional stressors which you will not be able to replicate with any degree of realism using snap caps.

Very true. And part of my consideration. The first shot IS the most important (especially looking at statistics in the number of shots fired in violent encounters). But this would be a supplement. Used to train the draw and fire. Training in the little details that don't need recoil or noise. Just the fine motor skills. [emoji4]

I'm guessing you haven't used one personally? Not knocking. I'm a firm believer in as much realism as possible which is why I'm hesitant. I would much rather do force on force simunition training lol. But I don't know if civilians can even purchase that stuff. Not for a reasonable price.


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submessenger
9/19/2017 10:36am,
Very true. And part of my consideration. The first shot IS the most important (especially looking at statistics in the number of shots fired in violent encounters). But this would be a supplement. Used to train the draw and fire. Training in the little details that don't need recoil or noise. Just the fine motor skills. [emoji4]

I'm guessing you haven't used one personally? Not knocking. I'm a firm believer in as much realism as possible which is why I'm hesitant. I would much rather do force on force simunition training lol. But I don't know if civilians can even purchase that stuff. Not for a reasonable price.


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I do use snap caps, but only to protect my action while exercising my trigger fingers.

I'm glad that you are honest and realistic about what you hope to gain, you appear to be on a higher level of training than what I thought I was responding to.

I think there may be a quality concern with laser caps, so don't go cheap. I've had some bore sight lasers that are just plain crooked, no matter how much play is in the alignment screw. I once spent hours messing around with a .223 and couldn't get the laser to escape a 16" barrel.

remington50
9/19/2017 12:13pm,
I do use snap caps, but only to protect my action while exercising my trigger fingers.

I'm glad that you are honest and realistic about what you hope to gain, you appear to be on a higher level of training than what I thought I was responding to.

I think there may be a quality concern with laser caps, so don't go cheap. I've had some bore sight lasers that are just plain crooked, no matter how much play is in the alignment screw. I once spent hours messing around with a .223 and couldn't get the laser to escape a 16" barrel.

I have certainly see that before myself. Yea. I take a lot of martial arts training to my shooting. I've been around guns for 28 years (ok...so probably 24 since that is when I got my first BB gun and shot with supervision as a kid with dad lol). So far my training with handguns is limited to what I can afford lol. I'm a much better shotgun shooter since I grew up duck hunting. But with handguns it is a different world. Point shooting exists, but not like an 870. :)

Thanks for the advice. I will keep that in mind in my research.


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Ming Loyalist
9/20/2017 10:43am,
i have to disagree with submessenger a bit in that i think that dry fire practice can be a very valuable training aid, especially when combined with a tool that gives you feedback on your progress (either a laser, something that i'm using: the mantisx, or even just an empty casing balanced on the front sight.)

the nice thing about the mantisx is that it works with both live and dry fire, so i can compare how i react in both situations. i've been using it for about a month with dry fire every day and live fire one day a week, and have seen some real improvements in my shooting.

pan trog
9/22/2017 9:25am,
My better half coaches competitive shooting sports (not tactical). She uses a laser system to teach.
The laser system is SCATT. It shows you the movement of your aim on the target, and the location of the trigger pull.