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Donnie M.
9/11/2017 9:34am,
Hi Guys:
First the reason I'm posting this is there are way to many frauds out there theses days. So if i'm going to pay for Instruction I want Quality Instruction. I am in my 50's and have been diagnosed with type2 diabetes and was forced to retire because of diabetic peripheral Neuropathy. I refuse and I mean refuse to allow this to kill me. I had heard that studies show tai chi can help neuropathy. I thought to myself if I'm not going to let it kill me I might as well learn to defend myself as well say with a southern style like wing Chun or even Fujian White Crane. I began to search a 35 mile radius of my city of Denham Spring's, La.

I found 2 the first is was a, Master Yajun “Thomas” Zhuang, who has been teaching, competing in, and researching Chinese martial arts (Wushu) for more than 30 years. His career began at age eight when he was selected from thousands of children to attend the Jiangsu Wushu Institute. At 17, he continued his study of Wushu culture and philosophy at Nanjing University and eventually joined its faculty. I went to talk to him about trying in Tai Chi, Qigong and Wing Chun which he just added to his curriculum of shaolin Kung fu. When I asked who his teacher was he said I should not ask that since he went to the university and learned from professionals and he majored in Wushu. That rose a red flag to me, maybe i'm wrong if I am can someone explain this university stuff first time i ever heard of it?
http://www.taichiperson.com/index.html

The second is a mysterious one His name is Lou Illar of the White Crane Studios in Baton Rouge. This gentleman if you read his web site more accomplishment than I could even describe or list here but, the funny thing is no one has ever heard of him except locally. Seems to me with all his accomplishments national and internationally there would be someone to acknowledge his great accomplishments but for the life of me I can't find them. What set me off on this journey was when the wife and I went about a year ago to visit with him and when asked who was his teacher of his particular style? We my wife and I sat there and heard so many names it was hard to keep up in fact one I believe was his philosophy teacher in college. The end result was we left the White Crane Studio More confused than when we arrived.
http://www.whitecranestudio.com/index.htm

If anyone has any info on either good or bad please share. Why am I doing this to protect people from frauds. Basically As Master Zhuang say's i'll let the professionals (YOU of Bullshido) decide. To tell you the truth I'm so frustrated with this going around in circles that about to wash my hands of Martial Arts completely so your my last hope.

Thanks and God Bless

Donnie M.
9/11/2017 11:41am,
Doing more research on Mr. Lou Illar on his web site under the tab About White Crane he list his Instructors: Paul Lin Ph.D., Kin Gee, Ngai Yoh Tong, Maung Gyi, PhD. Liu Yin Su, Gwa Gwe Hua, Chiang Ken, highest ranking. When doing a google search on these men I found a couple who are legends such as ngai yoh tong, but others not so much such as Maung Gyi, PhD. as a very good read on this man can be found here https://frederickfightclub.wordpress.com/2014/12/24/maung-gyi-the-fraudulent-gurkha/ . I'm not saying that this man did or did not train under these men but the trail that led me here is some what shady to me so buyer beware.

Michael Tzadok
9/11/2017 12:37pm,
When I asked who his teacher was he said I should not ask that since he went to the university and learned from professionals and he majored in Wushu. That rose a red flag to me, maybe i'm wrong if I am can someone explain this university stuff first time i ever heard of it?
http://www.taichiperson.com/index.html


In China the Universities offer degrees in things such as traditional Chinese medicine, Accupuncture, and Wushu. The Jiangsu Wushu Institute from what I can tell is a highly respected organization and competitive team from the Jiangsu province. So he most likely didn't have one teacher but a slew of instructors as part of his training there. I don't really know how you could authenticate his diploma, as CMAs aren't my thing.

Oh and you probably posted this in the wrong subforum. Just be warned it is probably going to get moved.

Donnie M.
9/11/2017 12:45pm,
I'm sorry where should it go I am a new-be

BackFistMonkey
9/11/2017 12:56pm,
In China the Universities offer degrees in things such as traditional Chinese medicine, Accupuncture, and Wushu. The Jiangsu Wushu Institute from what I can tell is a highly respected organization and competitive team from the Jiangsu province. So he most likely didn't have one teacher but a slew of instructors as part of his training there. I don't really know how you could authenticate his diploma, as CMAs aren't my thing.

Oh and you probably posted this in the wrong subforum. Just be warned it is probably going to get moved.

Yep you are correct my Rabbi friend. Wrong forum.
Moved from MABS ----------------> YMAS for visibility.

If the OP would like I can move it to the CMA (Chinese Martial Art) or (WTFE (whatthefuckever) forum it needs to go into) to archive it later.

Hopefully we can keep the noise down.

BackFistMonkey
9/11/2017 12:57pm,
I'm sorry where should it go I am a new-be

You are fine and welcome to Bullshido.

Donnie M.
9/11/2017 1:08pm,
yes please place it where ever you feel it needs to be Thank you

ermghoti
9/11/2017 2:35pm,
yes please place it where ever you feel it needs to be Thank you

That's what she said.

Donnie M.
9/11/2017 3:39pm,
Now thats funny

Donnie M.
9/13/2017 8:11am,
Wow ok so with hundreds of different styles in Kung fu alone, your saying that they, those who attend this Jiangsu Wushu Institute is, say a grade school or high school for Wushu. Not a particular style but a mis mash of many different styles. When you graduate there you go to college (Nanjing University) and study a major interest such as Nan Quan or Chang quan and a minor in Tai chi. Basically picking the styles to study per semester till graduation. So to go on and really specialize in a specific system he would apply for graduate school for that system. So if i'm understanding this right this is a way to combine all kung fu into one system if you will, But what happens to the traditional way of kung fu where it takes a lifetime to master one system. I can see where this progress in times could be the end of the romantic and traditional way of learning. I hope this is not so for styles such as Wing Chun, Fujian White Crane and other's. Even the temples of Shaolin had many different styles and systems but in the end if you were a monk you may have dabbled in other styles but he specialized only in one for only one life is what he had. Also i must say that according to Master Zhuang's site he went on to become part of the faculty at Nanjing University where He worked on the effects of Taichi exercise on patients with Peripheral Neuropathy and Parkinson's disease.

Thank you for your fine explanation of the topic and must say a very interesting concept.

BKR
9/13/2017 9:30am,
Denham Springs has decent judo club...

Michael Tzadok
9/13/2017 9:34am,
Wow ok so with hundreds of different styles in Kung fu alone, your saying that they, those who attend this Jiangsu Wushu Institute is, say a grade school or high school for Wushu. Not a particular style but a mis mash of many different styles. When you graduate there you go to college (Nanjing University) and study a major interest such as Nan Quan or Chang quan and a minor in Tai chi. Basically picking the styles to study per semester till graduation. So to go on and really specialize in a specific system he would apply for graduate school for that system. So if i'm understanding this right this is a way to combine all kung fu into one system if you will, But what happens to the traditional way of kung fu where it takes a lifetime to master one system. I can see where this progress in times could be the end of the romantic and traditional way of learning. I hope this is not so for styles such as Wing Chun, Fujian White Crane and other's. Even the temples of Shaolin had many different styles and systems but in the end if you were a monk you may have dabbled in other styles but he specialized only in one for only one life is what he had. Also i must say that according to Master Zhuang's site he went on to become part of the faculty at Nanjing University where He worked on the effects of Taichi exercise on patients with Peripheral Neuropathy and Parkinson's disease.

Thank you for your fine explanation of the topic and must say a very interesting concept.

Wushu is a style. Quoting Wikipedia:

Wushu (simplified Chinese: 武术; traditional Chinese: 武術; pinyin: wǔshù) is a martial art and a full-contact sport derived from traditional Chinese martial arts.[1][2] It was developed in China after 1949, in an effort to standardize the practice of traditional Chinese martial arts,[3] although attempts to structure the various decentralized martial arts traditions date back earlier, when the Central Guoshu Institute was established at Nanking in 1928. The term wushu is Chinese for "martial arts" (武 "Wu" = military or martial, 术 "Shu" = art). In contemporary times, wushu has become an international sport through the International Wushu Federation (IWUF), which holds the World Wushu Championships every two years; the first World Championships were held in 1991 in Beijing and won by Yuan Wen Qing.[4]

You would have to understand that one of the basic efforts of communism was to eliminate cultural diversity and create a single homogeneous culture. In the Soviet Union this was called Rusification, and involved things like Sambo and Combat Sambo being the only martial arts permitted to be taught for quite some time. In the early days studying Judo for instance could get you shot as a suspected spy(actually occurred to one of the founders of Sambo).

In China this resulted in a suppression of the various forms of Kung Fu for the sake of teaching a single state developed and state approved style, Wushu. Somewhere along the line styles started subdividing in that, Tai Chi being one. How exactly the University degree in Wushu works in China, I'm not entirely sure. My guess is that you would have to ask to see his certificate and have it translated by someone who actually reads Chinese. In many more socialistic nations you can't legally teach martial arts without some sort of governmental degree/certification. It helps with quality control to a certain extent.

Raycetpfl
9/13/2017 10:09am,
Hi Guys:
First the reason I'm posting this is there are way to many frauds out there theses days. So if i'm going to pay for Instruction I want Quality Instruction. I am in my 50's and have been diagnosed with type2 diabetes and was forced to retire because of diabetic peripheral Neuropathy. I refuse and I mean refuse to allow this to kill me. I had heard that studies show tai chi can help neuropathy. I thought to myself if I'm not going to let it kill me I might as well learn to defend myself as well say with a southern style like wing Chun or even Fujian White Crane. I began to search a 35 mile radius of my city of Denham Spring's, La.

I found 2 the first is was a, Master Yajun “Thomas” Zhuang, who has been teaching, competing in, and researching Chinese martial arts (Wushu) for more than 30 years. His career began at age eight when he was selected from thousands of children to attend the Jiangsu Wushu Institute. At 17, he continued his study of Wushu culture and philosophy at Nanjing University and eventually joined its faculty. I went to talk to him about trying in Tai Chi, Qigong and Wing Chun which he just added to his curriculum of shaolin Kung fu. When I asked who his teacher was he said I should not ask that since he went to the university and learned from professionals and he majored in Wushu. That rose a red flag to me, maybe i'm wrong if I am can someone explain this university stuff first time i ever heard of it?
http://www.taichiperson.com/index.html

The second is a mysterious one His name is Lou Illar of the White Crane Studios in Baton Rouge. This gentleman if you read his web site more accomplishment than I could even describe or list here but, the funny thing is no one has ever heard of him except locally. Seems to me with all his accomplishments national and internationally there would be someone to acknowledge his great accomplishments but for the life of me I can't find them. What set me off on this journey was when the wife and I went about a year ago to visit with him and when asked who was his teacher of his particular style? We my wife and I sat there and heard so many names it was hard to keep up in fact one I believe was his philosophy teacher in college. The end result was we left the White Crane Studio More confused than when we arrived.
http://www.whitecranestudio.com/index.htm

If anyone has any info on either good or bad please share. Why am I doing this to protect people from frauds. Basically As Master Zhuang say's i'll let the professionals (YOU of Bullshido) decide. To tell you the truth I'm so frustrated with this going around in circles that about to wash my hands of Martial Arts completely so your my last hope.

Thanks and God Bless

Bjj and/or Yoga have similar effects. It's about your mind and body not "The Woo".

Raycetpfl
9/13/2017 10:23am,
Doing mentally taxing and physically difficult things is good for the brain. When your brain is in good shape your body does better. That's why worrying and fear is bad for you.

BKR
9/13/2017 11:39am,
Well, Lou Illar...and his two self published books...

http://www.ifc.com/2010/07/guy-who-wrote-sidekicks
The big dreams of Lou Illar, the guy who wrote “Sidekicks.”
Posted by Vadim Rizov on July 9th

It already seems like ages ago that the “Karate Kid” remake came, conquered and moved on. But only now is Lou Illar, “known” for writing the 1992 Chuck Norris-Jonathan Brandis movie “Sidekicks,” has issued a statement to the press on the cinematic worthiness of his chosen martial art.

“Karate is tailor-made for the movies. It’s exciting to watch, and involves personal and spiritual components that make great story-telling devices,” Illar says in his press release, which notes he’s “in pre-production for ‘Sidekicks II’ while witnessing firsthand the resurgence of martial arts from his Louisiana Dojo”:

No doubt the continual popularity of “The Karate Kid” reflects America’s never ending admiration and support for those who selflessly achieve a moral victory. This flick nixes the love some kids have for things and replaces it with the moral respect that Americans still want to find in one another. “The Karate Kid” has and always will reflect American grit and morality!

Aside from “Sidekicks,” Illar self-published two books, the most recent one “Believe Me Or Your Lying Eyes”, which purports to tell “An Entertaining History of Casinos, Corruption and Charities in America” but which also appears to propose (at least from the excerpts I could read online) that Chuck Norris is among the things that are ruining America.

And on...

Legend of Kung Fu...
http://www.legendsofkungfu.com/main/artist/lou-illar/
Sifu Lou Illar is a film maker and writer with a lifetime of experience as a Kung Fu master. He has promoted Kung Fu through magazine articles and the his production of the movie Sidekicks, which is still watched wherever there is a child afflicted with asthma. Master Illar’s innovative tournaments, lion dances and other fund raisers have provided over 200 thousand dollars for individuals with disabilities. In the 1980’s he was appointed by the Republic of China as The Regional Liaison for the promotion of Chinese Traditional Arts. As a college professor of communication and history he has promoted accredited Kung Fu classes on college campuses as a cross-cultural experience. He has received numerous rewards for his efforts including Inside Kung Fu Magazines, Man of the Year Award and Humanitarian of the Year Award.

And here is the money-shot, so to speak... (Bolded red text is my emphasis)
TLDR: Wave your hands around like Jackie Chan and other kung fu movie action stars and you will magically (after ten years?) be able to defend yourself from "street attacks".
This is such blatant yet subtle marketing...

http://www.whitecranestudio.com/teaching.htm
Instructional Sparring – Fighting without Fighting

No new student will ever be expected to compete with instructors or classmates nor will any classmate or instructor compete with students to test or prove their skill.

Through the intelligence of Kung Fu minds adaptive methods of instruction have stood the test of time. Case in point was the film effort, Fearless, by Jet Li. In his excellent portrayal of Huo Yuan Jia, Jet Li not only made another splendidly choreographed Kung Fu movie but one that like the art itself will stand the test of time because it promotes 'Fighting' without 'Fighting' and chronicles the legend of a man who gave his life to exhibit the value of non-contact fighting to protect Human Life and real Kung Fu. Huo Yuan Jia freed fighters from the drudgery of killing or maiming one another for the pleasure of an audience. Jet Li freed men from having to prove their skill by hurting one another. Teaching how not to hit others leads to nonviolent Kung Fu or 'Fighting without Fighting'.
Since Kung Fu instruction has not only been historically preserved and developed through writing and now through film, it has also been systematized far beyond others martial arts. 'Fighting' without 'Fighting' comprises structured but reactive self-defense practice drills that enhance vision, reaction time, counter balancing, and emotional control into functional skills. The drills are often the very hand sets performed by movie actors such as Jackie Chan and others. These ancient exercises offer a storehouse of options to eventually answer every possible self-defense predicament without the threat of any aversive or serious harm. When mastered they bring instant, well timed, responses and solutions to street attacks.

We create behaviors that develop muscle intelligence, memory, and function. Each self defense instruction is preceded by forty minutes spent on developing movements that coordinate the mind with your body. We offer a psychology of balancing between pushing and pulling, rising and falling, coiling and unwinding. We explore breathing exercises to develop energy, to sharpen focus, to relax, and to become fearless. The first segments of every class period begin by breathing deeply and moving with little noticeable movement. These warm up exercises provide a life time of challenges to your personal self respect and health. In this journey, teenagers discover that they need guidance and mature adults begin to discover the rewards of balancing patience with determination. Our "Chi Gung exercises immediately seem to strengthen and relax both the lower back knees and neck.


Why do these methods work?

They work because each student learns to develop and respect structure and after ten years of study, understand it as adaptive. Our application drills develop focus, speed and reaction time without injury. These exercises moderate focus. They compel the student to slow down, to wait, to change the bodys sense of time. Self-defense instruction must be based on developing and caring for the health of all students. Ours provides exercises that not only develop discipline but clear minds and provide a detailed vision of possible opportunities or threats. We offer sporting games like pushing hands or working hands and a myriad of other entertaining ways of developing physical skills and health. Our students develop into competitive athletes. Some find themselves on the high school track team, others find themselves on the wrestling team. It's not surprising to see others become award winning pianists or concert flutists. Others lose weight fall in love and marry. Yet more often than not, students eventually discover that learning is the greatest gift of living well and pursue further academic achievement. Obviously, our methods improve lives, by building courage and functional behavior. We believe: No matter what you do White Crane Kung Fu is good for you. (Please read the writings of those who studied from us in our endorsement section.)