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submessenger
9/09/2017 10:28pm,
Because doing nothing when all life on earth hangs in the balance is a better plan?? Tell me do republicans supply the koolaid or do you bring your own??

You have, let me see, about 0 idea whether or not your action is helpful or detrimental. You're rushing to "do something," without understanding any of the effects of that action.

Also, for the record, it was Flavor Aid mixed with potassium cyanide. Personally, I used to buy the Kodak brand, it was great for fixing TMAX films that I had pushed outside of rated ISO.

BKR
9/10/2017 12:13am,
The "right technology" doesn't exist to meet the demands of what people want in the first world, and the rest of the rest of the world aspires to.
That will remain true for the foreseeable future.
The watts gotta come from somewhere.

You're talking about fantasy.

Nuclear fusion, lol...a favorite of science fiction writers.

I have read fairly recently that they're working on technology to be able to use spent nuclear fuel in other words current nuclear waste as a fuel for particular type of nuclear reactor.

However I don't know if even that sort of thing would supply enough energy 4 everybody to be a first world energy consumer.

Even combined with renewable energy energy sources.

For example solar energy and wind energy need space you have to put solar panels and wind turbines in Open Spaces.

Nothing is without a price wind turbines kill birds and are not particularly attractive. Solar panels are not particularly attractive and take up space as well as degrading the environment because they have to be in remote areas where lots of wild creatures live like the desert.

BKR
9/10/2017 12:15am,
Possibly true, but with no effort to try no gain will be made. A high percentage of people refuse to even admit the problem exists. Besides what other options are there?? Serious question.

I don't think that a high percentage as you put it of people deny that the problem exists.

I think that perhaps a significant percentage of people don't have enough time or energy or too busy trying to either survive or get by to think much about it.

And most people lack the education for experience to even somehow conceived of the problem.

So fear mongering tends to be the default method of trying to so-called educate people.

BKR
9/10/2017 12:18am,
Because doing nothing when all life on earth hangs in the balance is a better plan?? Tell me do republicans supply the koolaid or do you bring your own??

Hyperbole much?

All of the life on Earth does not hang in the balance.

BKR
9/10/2017 12:20am,
So hopefully you can see my point. It does not take first world standards but the most basic improvements in education, birth control, and education to affect birth rates. The more advance the better the results. Education and healthcare seems to be the keys to most of the world's issues.

I'm all for everyone having Better Health Care better nutrition and more education.

However better educated people are the more they want the healthier they are the longer they live in the more kids they tend to have even with birth control.

Even if you could magically limit everybody to only having two kids that still exponential growth of a population.

I'm not trying to be a downer here just trying to be realistic.

Pship Destroyer
9/10/2017 1:04am,
E=(mc)+(pc)

You can't forget that we're on a giant spaceship, traveling in a relatively linear direction through space as the universe expands.

You made the point about entropy, so you're fully aware of what happens now that the energy of water is increasing in the Earth's relatively sensitive ecosystem (NASA, 2017).

We just saw the greatest rainfall from a hurricane record broken within days of the strongest Atlantic basin hurricane.

It's funny how we love to predict the weather. People tune it nightly like it's the lottery.

Now they're tuning in to find out which cities are about to be destroyed, on an almost weekly basis.

Pruitt is too dangerous of an asshole to run the EPA. He's no Brock Long.

Pship Destroyer
9/10/2017 1:07am,
Where did the humans get this energy from?

Coal and oil.

I don't include natural gas because it's cleaner to burn and doesn't produce the same kind of waste, but generally, humans have moved energy from fossil fuels to the oceans.

By heating the oceans, we're putting more water in the clouds as well as making storms that feed on warm water (e.g. hurricanes) stronger.

I'd imagine the storms you live through are different from hurricanes...less wind but plenty of rain. Hawaii should be rainfall central but 120+ mph winds, not so much?

Pship Destroyer
9/10/2017 1:13am,
Insert a link the way I do which by the way I do in the format that you suggested.

Dude, I am not linking climate change science. You either trust NASA and the world's climate scientists or you get your info from elsewhere, what can I say.

There is no peer reviewed science challenging scientific consensus. They did the work so I don't have to.

Pship Destroyer
9/10/2017 1:16am,
It's not the time to discuss climate change!
That time was 20-30 years ago, and I remember that when I was a kid this was in fact already discussed.
Some 10 year ago was the time to do something.
Now it's time to do something while tightening the seatbelts.


Bullshit. The time to do anything is always now.

We can always curb atmospheric pollution that helps contribute to a number of bad consequences.

Seatbelts aren't going to help you when the land is under water. What will help us is warming the Earth at a lower rate than we are today (NASA, 2017).

Pship Destroyer
9/10/2017 1:23am,
The "we have to do something," argument is one of my favorites. It is all about making people feel good, and completely disregards the scientific method. Oh, the delicious irony.

Delicious irony is how the climate change denial sphere doesn't even factor in the scientific method.

They factor in what they read that day, or listened to on talk radio, and remain wholly unqualified to argue against climate science.

Pship Destroyer
9/10/2017 1:26am,
Hyperbole much?

All of the life on Earth does not hang in the balance.

How about life in America? The weather has the capability to destroy the entire country.

I honestly read about remote effects of climate change and worry, but when I see the effects here at home I wonder why the **** anybody listens to deniers anymore. **** them.

Oh right..they've got Rush Limbaugh on their side.

How's this for hyperbole: you could fit TWO Hurricane Andrews inside one Hurricane Irma.

WFMurphyPhD
9/10/2017 8:20am,
Possibly true, but with no effort to try no gain will be made. A high percentage of people refuse to even admit the problem exists. Besides what other options are there?? Serious question.

The research regarding man made global climate change is often mis-presented,
ignoring ethical standards for discussing the limitations of such research in detail when discussing potential or actual findings.
In particular, people claiming to be scientific presenters who state that any of the man made global climate change research to date have included models that have reliable predictive ability in the real world beyond the most immediate timeframes are committing an ethical violation,
unless they simply reference the band of variance that has occurred historically.

DCS
9/10/2017 8:43am,
My two cents: Anthropogenic climate change deniers, flat earthers, anti-vaxers, creationists, et al are in the same category.

WFMurphyPhD
9/10/2017 9:04am,
My two cents: Anthropogenic climate change deniers, flat earthers, anti-vaxers, creationists, et al are in the same category.

Specifics matter.
Regarding vaccines, it is not helpful nor scientifically useful to say one is for vaccines.
What is scientifically useful is understanding aggregate protocol administration and outcomes for vaccines or any therapy,
But also understanding specific case situations that may put individual patients out of the aggregate pool regarding expected outcomes.
For instance, it is good to not give patients therapies of any class or delivery mechanism that we know they are allergic to.
As a beekeeper, I sold raw honey, and had to advise and remind people that infants or immuno-suppressed people can get deathly ill from eating raw honey, because the woo-woo crowd would treat honey like a magic cure all.
Similarly, some people will have very adverse reactions to certain vaccines, and there is an individual cost for getting a therapy that will injure you, even if it helps the aggregate.
In cancers, the best treatment protocols utilize genetic markers and use treatment approaches specific to those genetic markers.
Broad spectrum treatment approaches have benefits, but also can have improved outcomes when competing approaches that take into account more specific medical approaches using specific patient classification technology can also be feasibly utilized.
So, vaccines have saved countless, countless lives and have done much good for society.
However, if your family member is the 1 in X that has a reaction that is fatal or otherwise permanent, that societal benefit and the many other individuals who benefited may be of scant comfort.
Also, some vaccine runs are tainted in production, and some vaccines are better or more useful or have better reward vs risk profiles than others.

BackFistMonkey
9/10/2017 9:13am,
I'm all for everyone having Better Health Care better nutrition and more education.

However better educated people are the more they want the healthier they are the longer they live in the more kids they tend to have even with birth control.

Even if you could magically limit everybody to only having two kids that still exponential growth of a population.

I'm not trying to be a downer here just trying to be realistic.

Jesus Christ does no one watch the videos I post? The video explains how ... you know what never mind.
**** it.
Global Warming is a Liberal Hoax to keep people down and the mud countries are all at fault and there is nothing we can do. You guys are right. I am now a life long Republican.

(I KID, YOU ARE JUST FLAT OUT WRONG.)

BackFistMonkey
9/10/2017 9:17am,
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