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BackFistMonkey
10/22/2017 6:54pm,
E.P.A. Cancels Talk on Climate Change by Agency Scientists (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/22/climate/epa-scientists.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0)



WASHINGTON — The Environmental Protection Agency has canceled the speaking appearance of three agency scientists who were scheduled to discuss climate change at a conference on Monday in Rhode Island, according to the agency and several people involved.

John Konkus, an E.P.A. spokesman and a former Trump campaign operative in Florida, confirmed that agency scientists would not speak at the State of the Narragansett Bay and Watershed program in Providence. He provided no further explanation.

Scientists involved in the program said that much of the discussion at the event centers on climate change. Many said they were surprised by the E.P.A.’s last-minute cancellation, particularly since the agency helps to fund the Narragansett Bay Estuary Program, which is hosting the conference. The scientists who have been barred from speaking contributed substantial material to a 400-page report to be issued on Monday.

The move highlights widespread concern that the E.P.A. will silence government scientists from speaking publicly or conducting work on climate change. Scott Pruitt, the agency administrator, has said that he does not believe human-caused greenhouse gas emissions are primarily responsible for the warming of the planet.


... yeah the funny thing about paranoia is that it is only paranoia if it is an unfounded fear.

BackFistMonkey
10/22/2017 7:01pm,
Trump Administration Is Repealing Obama's Clean Power Plan
The regulation limited planet-warming carbon dioxide emissions from power plants (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-administration-is-repealing-obamas-clean-power-plan/)





The Trump administration today will officially announce the end of the Clean Power Plan, a regulation limiting planet-warming carbon dioxide emissions from power plants. But the conservative crowd that's skeptical about climate change says its work is just beginning.
U.S. EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt argued yesterday that the climate rule is a reflection of President Obama's antagonism toward the fossil fuel industry, describing it as an unlawful interpretation of the Clean Air Act (Greenwire, Oct. 9).
“The past administration was unapologetic,” Pruitt told a group of coal miners yesterday in Hazard, Ky. “They were using every bit of power, every bit of authority to use the EPA to pick winners and losers in how we generate electricity in this country. And that's wrong.”
For all the applause that Pruitt received, there is also disgruntlement. A backroom battle between industry officials and those anti-climate conservatives over whether to issue a scaled-back replacement rule is burgeoning. The hard-liners don't want an alternative rule because greenhouse gases would still be regulated. And that could mark an acceptance of the endangerment finding, a mound of scientific evidence that affirms human-caused carbon emissions are at the root of rising temperatures.
Climate skeptics question if Pruitt truly wants to attack the endangerment finding. He hasn't said yes or no publicly. He's only offered hints. Doubts extend to President Trump, who has expressed cynicism about climate science but hasn't focused on the all-important finding.
Some conservative skeptics doubt that Trump knows the limitations his anti-regulatory agenda faces if the endangerment finding continues to exist. The finding serves as the legal backbone for climate regulation, with many interpreting it as mandating federal action to curb greenhouse gas emissions.
“I don't think the president knows that it's not enough to issue executive orders. He might be disappointed to know those things are still there,” said Steve Milloy, an attorney, EPA adversary and Trump EPA transition team official. “It's still early. But there's a lot of work left to be done. It's not enough to say get rid of this. You've actually got to do it.”
Here's a case in point: When speaking to a rally in Alabama late last month, Trump said of the Clean Power Plan, “Did you see what I did to that? Boom, gone.” It wasn't true. The rule was very much still intact, and powerful industry trade organizations, like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM), were simultaneously pushing White House officials to maintain a downsized version of that very rule (Climatewire, Oct. 5).
“The NAM supports a greenhouse gas policy going forward that is narrowly tailored and consistent with the Clean Air Act,” Ross Eisenberg, NAM's vice president of energy and resources policy, said in a statement praising news of the repeal while pushing for a replacement.
That industry groups have the White House's ear reflects a shift in some of the administration's broader political sensibilities.
Climate skeptics lament the loss of their brother in arms, former chief strategist Steve Bannon, and his influence on pressing Trump to go full bore on climate matters. In his place, moderate voices like Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, economic adviser Gary Cohn and Chief of Staff John Kelly have gradually tried to steer the White House away from the nationalistic tenor during Trump's earliest days in office.
“The worrisome news for climate skeptics is that Bannon is gone,” Marc Morano, a former staffer for Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) and a prominent climate skeptic, said in an email. “It appears that Gary Cohn is trying to fill the vacuum on climate policy and that is not a good development for skeptics. Hopefully Pruitt and [Energy Secretary Rick] Perry will pick up the slack and keep the administration on the path to dismantling Obama's climate 'legacy.'”



This is not normal

W. Rabbit
10/22/2017 9:18pm,
E.P.A. Cancels Talk on Climate Change by Agency Scientists (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/22/climate/epa-scientists.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0)

... yeah the funny thing about paranoia is that it is only paranoia if it is an unfounded fear.

The funnier thing about Scott Pruitt is that he went to college playing 2nd base, and then studied politics and law.

Zero scientific credibility, yet his decisions determine EPA policy.

Absolutely none, in the quantitative sense. Possibly the least qualified person to run a federal agency since Mike Brown ran FEMA.

BackFistMonkey
10/25/2017 10:50pm,
"Here's Why A Fight Is Brewing Over Trump's Chemical Safety Pick At EPA
"He's the absolute worst person I could think of to put in charge of chemicals and toxic safety in our nation," said one Senator."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/zahrahirji/epa-chemistry-pick?utm_term=.hnKbK3onP#.jlPrkbKo8 (Buzzfeed on the ball again)



Setting up a brawl over toxic pollution, a US Senate committee on Wednesday narrowly approved President Trump's nominee, Michael Dourson, to oversee chemical safety at the Environmental Protection Agency in a 11-10 party-line vote.

Dourson is a University of Cincinnati toxicologist who worked as an EPA scientist more than 20 years ago — later attracting controversy over his close ties to the chemical industry — who writes "Science-bible stories (https://www.buzzfeed.com/zahrahirji/michael-dourson-writes-science-bible-books?utm_term=.ffWEjXlQJ#.dk4DMz7vA)."


That link in the quote to his self published Science Bible Stories is worth the read alone. The article goes into great (both articles actually) detail.

gregaquaman
10/27/2017 3:05am,
I wonder where china will get the energy to manufacture and charge all those cars ?

Right now they are burning a ****-ton of coal for electricity.

Not saying it's impossible, or a bad thing, however, that's a long term project. But with a highly directed economy like theirs, they can make things happen.

Perhaps the best way forward for the US is to ditch representative government altogether.

They are doing cleaner coal though.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/chinas-clean-coal-lesson/news-story/a5fd85f04c9c59723aa80b01b2307669

BKR
10/31/2017 6:03pm,
FYI

https://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/syr/SYR_AR5_FINAL_full_wcover.pdf

BackFistMonkey
11/01/2017 1:41am,
unrelated blah I am too lazy to click to see what you are talking about

Hey. Ummmm. Hey.
Didn't you promised to care when "Citing The Bible, The EPA Just Changed Its Rules For Science Advisers" ? Or something like that... cause :
"Referencing the Book of Joshua, EPA head Scott Pruitt announced sweeping changes to the agency's science advisory boards, opening the door to more input from the business world."


The Environmental Protection Agency announced on Tuesday afternoon sweeping changes to who can advise the agency on its research and regulatory priorities, opening the door to more industry participation.

Effective immediately, scientists who receive EPA funding cannot serve on the agency's three major advisory groups. Some Republican lawmakers have been pushing for similar changes to the agency's advisory boards for years.

"We want to ensure that there’s integrity in the process and that the scientists that are advising us are doing so without any type of appearance of conflict of interest," EPA head Scott Pruitt said at a press conference announcing the directive.

Pruitt used a story from the Book of Joshua to help explain the new policy.

On the journey to the promised land, "Joshua says to the people of Israel: choose this day whom you are going to serve," Pruitt said. "This is sort of like the Joshua principle — that as it relates to grants from this agency, you are going to have to choose either service on the committee to provide counsel to us in an independent fashion or chose the grant. But you can’t do both. That’s the fair and great thing to do."

A large coalition of science organizations, science advocates, environmentalists, and politicians lined up in fierce opposition to the policy changes, arguing the rules not only disqualify top environmental and health researchers from advising but also favor scientists paid for by EPA-regulated companies. They also have pointed out that EPA has strict rules in place for disclosing any conflicts of interest.

Swamp does not seem to be draining...

https://www.buzzfeed.com/zahrahirji/epa-pruitt-new-science-advisors?utm_term=.ok5yX5Nml#.bldnARBDk

BKR
11/01/2017 9:05am,
Hey. Ummmm. Hey.
Didn't you promised to care when "Citing The Bible, The EPA Just Changed Its Rules For Science Advisers" ? Or something like that... cause :
"Referencing the Book of Joshua, EPA head Scott Pruitt announced sweeping changes to the agency's science advisory boards, opening the door to more input from the business world."

Swamp does not seem to be draining...

https://www.buzzfeed.com/zahrahirji/epa-pruitt-new-science-advisors?utm_term=.ok5yX5Nml#.bldnARBDk

This too shall pass...

W. Rabbit
11/02/2017 10:27pm,
Pump money into FEMA. The EPA is lost.

W. Rabbit
11/04/2017 1:10am,
Trump administration releases report finding ‘no convincing alternative explanation’ for climate change

oops.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/11/03/trump-administration-releases-report-finds-no-convincing-alternative-explanation-for-climate-change/

Falenay
11/04/2017 6:12am,
Trump administration releases report finding ‘no convincing alternative explanation’ for climate change

oops.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/11/03/trump-administration-releases-report-finds-no-convincing-alternative-explanation-for-climate-change/

Someone clearly fucked up in preventing those fake news being released.

BackFistMonkey
11/05/2017 11:57am,
"Donald Trump accused of obstructing satellite research into climate change"



President Trump has been accused of deliberately obstructing research on global warming after it emerged that a critically important technique for investigating sea-ice cover at the poles faces being blocked.

The row has erupted after a key polar satellite broke down a few days ago, leaving the US with only three ageing ones, each operating long past their shelf lives, to measure the Arctic’s dwindling ice cap. Scientists say there is no chance a new one can now be launched until 2023 or later. None of the current satellites will still be in operation then.

The crisis has been worsened because the US Congress this year insisted that a backup sea-ice probe had to be dismantled because it did not want to provide funds to keep it in storage. Congress is currently under the control of Republicans, who are antagonistic to climate science and the study of global warming.

If Donald Trump won't tackle climate change, then Chicago will
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“This is like throwing away the medical records of a sick patient,” said David Gallaher of the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado. “Our world is ailing and we have apparently decided to undermine, quite deliberately, the effectiveness of the records on which its recovery might be based. It is criminal.”

The threat to the US sea-ice monitoring programme – which supplies data to scientists around the world – will trigger further accusations at this week’s international climate talks in Bonn that the Trump administration is trying to block studies of global warming for ideological reasons.

...

At present three ageing satellites – DMSP F16, F17 and F18 – remain in operation, though they are all beginning to drift out of their orbits over the poles. The latest satellite in the series, F19, began to suffer sensor malfunctions last year and finally broke down a few weeks ago. It should have been replaced with the F20 probe, which had already been built and was being kept in storage by the US Air Force. However it had to be destroyed, on the orders of the US Congress, on the grounds that its storage was too costly.


I am sure this is just a coincidence, there is no reason why there is a sudden change in focus and money away from science and technology and the current administration's anti-science, anti-intellectual, alt-fact, mindset. I mean that is what people say. "The President and the Administration doesn't have any real power, their views don't matter and don't affect anything". I swear have heard that before... probly just my imagination.

W. Rabbit
11/08/2017 6:46am,
Now is the time to talk about what "American Exceptionalism" means, and this isn't it.

As Syria joins Paris climate agreement, US stands alone: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/syria-paris-climate-agreement/index.html

Good grief, Donald. You finally caved on Obama's birth certificate...the White House admitted it was wrong about climate change. Not everything is a "bad deal" just because you think so.

Listen to reason, just once.


"I confirm that the Syrian Arab Republic supports the implementation of Paris climate change accord, in order to achieve the desired global goals and to reflect the principles of justice and shared responsibility, but in accordance with the capabilities of each of the signatories," Syria's Deputy Minister of Local Administration and Environment M. Wadah Katmawi said.

Katmawi added that developed countries, "in their capacity as the primary contributors to climate change, should live up to their legal and humanitarian responsibility" by offering technical and financial support to developing countries to help battle climate change.

BKR
11/08/2017 12:15pm,
Yep, those backward Saudi are moving forward to become independent of the old black gold.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2017/10/24/saudi-s-crown-prince-on-500b-city-want-to-live-normal-life.html
http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2017/10/24/saudi-arabias-new-super-city-fast-facts.html

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman announced on Tuesday plans to build a new city of the future, promising to usher in a progressive generation that will reshape the Middle Eastern country as it seeks to prepare for the post-oil age.
NEOM: City of the Future
The future city, named “NEOM”, stems from Saudi Arabia’s Vision 2030 plan, a strategy created to reduce the country’s dependence on oil. NEOM, which will be located on the coast of the Red Sea, will span more than 10,000 square miles (26,500 square kilometers), extending across the borders of Egypt and Jordanian, making it the “first special economic zone to span three countries,” according to Saudi Crown Price Mohammed bin Salman.
The city will focus on nine sectors, “some conventional, some new” to capture a “good share in the future of the world” he said during a panel discussion in Riyadh hosted by FOX Business Network’s Maria Bartiromo.

BackFistMonkey
11/08/2017 12:35pm,
America, Leader of ________ in the world.
*shakes head*


Yep, those backward Saudi are moving forward to become independent of the old black gold.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2017/10/24/saudi-s-crown-prince-on-500b-city-want-to-live-normal-life.html
http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2017/10/24/saudi-arabias-new-super-city-fast-facts.html

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman announced on Tuesday plans to build a new city of the future, promising to usher in a progressive generation that will reshape the Middle Eastern country as it seeks to prepare for the post-oil age.
NEOM: City of the Future
The future city, named “NEOM”, stems from Saudi Arabia’s Vision 2030 plan, a strategy created to reduce the country’s dependence on oil. NEOM, which will be located on the coast of the Red Sea, will span more than 10,000 square miles (26,500 square kilometers), extending across the borders of Egypt and Jordanian, making it the “first special economic zone to span three countries,” according to Saudi Crown Price Mohammed bin Salman.
The city will focus on nine sectors, “some conventional, some new” to capture a “good share in the future of the world” he said during a panel discussion in Riyadh hosted by FOX Business Network’s Maria Bartiromo.

BKR
11/08/2017 1:06pm,
America, Leader of ________ in the world.
*shakes head*

Well, if we were essentially a dictatorship, I'm sure a lot more stuff would get done...


https://youtu.be/2SF1iLXSQto?t=15