PDA

View Full Version : Ko Uchi Gari on Taller Opponents



Pages : [1] 2 3 4 5

remington50
9/07/2017 8:43am,
Is this a move that works against a much taller opponent? Say you are 5'5 and the other guy is 6'4? What about 6'0 and 6'4? Or 5'5 on a 6'0? I am mainly looking to see if anyone has experience with this move on taller opponents.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

DCS
9/07/2017 8:47am,
I'm short (almost everyone is taller than me) and ko uchi is one of my highest percentage throws.

Raycetpfl
9/07/2017 9:34am,
Is this a move that works against a much taller opponent? Say you are 5'5 and the other guy is 6'4? What about 6'0 and 6'4? Or 5'5 on a 6'0? I am mainly looking to see if anyone has experience with this move on taller opponents.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This is one of the most effective takedowns in grappling. This works for both Hobbits and ogres and everyone in between.

Raycetpfl
9/07/2017 9:48am,
Is this a move that works against a much taller opponent? Say you are 5'5 and the other guy is 6'4? What about 6'0 and 6'4? Or 5'5 on a 6'0? I am mainly looking to see if anyone has experience with this move on taller opponents.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I would say it's actually one of the moves that works best when someone is a foot taller actually.
Ogoshi and some other lifting throws can be harder because your opponent can keep their feet on the ground when you are trying to lift them. Reaps and trips dont require lifting. You are just removin the leg they are standing on.

remington50
9/07/2017 9:56am,
He would you guys go about setting it up on a taller opponent? The reason I am asking is because my instructor will be out the next few weeks and I've been working on this throw. And there is one person taller than me in class, but then we have someone in class who is shorter who is having trouble with them. I think the big issue we both have is getting the leg in range to strike. I assume this is just breaking that ultra defense wrestling posture?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Raycetpfl
9/07/2017 10:06am,
He would you guys go about setting it up on a taller opponent? The reason I am asking is because my instructor will be out the next few weeks and I've been working on this throw. And there is one person taller than me in class, but then we have someone in class who is shorter who is having trouble with them. I think the big issue we both have is getting the leg in range to strike. I assume this is just breaking that ultra defense wrestling posture?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If they have bent over,hips back, Get a Georgian Grip and throw from there.

Grips are everything. Without the proper grips nothing works.

DCS
9/07/2017 10:28am,
He would you guys go about setting it up on a taller opponent?
For instance:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQf_pSK6zGk


I think the big issue we both have is getting the leg in range to strike. I assume this is just breaking that ultra defense wrestling posture?

What Rayce said.

BKR
9/07/2017 5:21pm,
For instance:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQf_pSK6zGk


What Rayce said.

That's not kouchi gari, it's a a double leg trapping uke foot...

And I'd not do that on a much bigger opponent unless I wanted to be smashed badly. That uke isn't THAT much bigger than tori.

The arm-drag end you up in a similar position to attacking first with Ippon Seoi Nage and then following up with Kouchi Gari (or the makikomi version) when uke reacts to the rear to avoid the seoi nage.

My specialty throw was Kouchi Gari, and I threw a LOT of truly bigger, stronger opponents with it, BUT 90% of them were not as skilled as me.

You have to get a reaction to the rear from them, somehow, or it's a dicey proposition.

BKR
9/07/2017 5:22pm,
If they have bent over,hips back, Get a Georgian Grip and throw from there.

Grips are everything. Without the proper grips nothing works.

Tru dat...

Which is why just looking at "takedowns" in isolation is OK, but not the total solution.

BKR
9/07/2017 5:29pm,
Is this a move that works against a much taller opponent? Say you are 5'5 and the other guy is 6'4? What about 6'0 and 6'4? Or 5'5 on a 6'0? I am mainly looking to see if anyone has experience with this move on taller opponents.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It can work on a taller opponent. However, often taller opponents can be harder to throw with it due to all the slack in their longer/taller bodies.

I wrote in a reply to Rayce, in this thread, that Kouchi Gari was my specialty throw in Judo. I'm 5'7" tall, so I have some experience using Kouchi Gari against guys shorter, same height, and taller (a lot taller) than me.

There are a different ways to do Kouchi Gari. The one I used to best effect on taller opponents usually involved a strong pull to the front of some sort, and then reversing into the Kouchi Gari when he reacts to the rear. Without that reaction, it's tough to pull off.

You CAN just dive/wrap into it, but in a BJJ context (I do BJJ too, but am only blue belt), you have to be careful you don't end up getting 2 points for a take-down but giving up your back.

That is where the arm-drag entry/grip is helpful.

BKR
9/07/2017 5:39pm,
He would you guys go about setting it up on a taller opponent? The reason I am asking is because my instructor will be out the next few weeks and I've been working on this throw. And there is one person taller than me in class, but then we have someone in class who is shorter who is having trouble with them. I think the big issue we both have is getting the leg in range to strike. I assume this is just breaking that ultra defense wrestling posture?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


You have to get a reaction to their rear quadrant somehow. The arm-drag mentioned already can do that. My best entry (in a judo context) was to fake (or try) for a Seoi Nage of some sort, and use their rearward reaction to make the driving entry for Kouchi Gari.

Like I wrote earlier, there are several methods of doing Kouchi Gari. Many of them require you to get uke (the guy being thrown) moving. Which can be difficult versus a larger (taller) opponent.

Other than that, honestly, it gets complicated, because of the complicated intersection of grip, movement, posture, relative body size, etc.

BKR
9/07/2017 5:41pm,
If they have bent over,hips back, Get a Georgian Grip and throw from there.

Grips are everything. Without the proper grips nothing works.

And learning proper grips is a whole subject in and of itself, that requires in-depth study and drilling. For even the basics, because you have to essentially do it automatically.

BKR
9/07/2017 5:47pm,
This video shows varieties of Kouchi Gari...

Kouchi Gari is VERY useful as a setup throw for other throws. I teach it extensively for that purpose, and emphasize knee-cut type transitions to control position (pin) or armbar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwlmv52ccVQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12BxBGwKyaE

cualltaigh
9/07/2017 6:24pm,
I would say it's actually one of the moves that works best when someone is a foot taller actually.
Ogoshi and some other lifting throws can be harder because your opponent can keep their feet on the ground when you are trying to lift them. Reaps and trips dont require lifting. You are just removin the leg they are standing on.

I find the hip/lifting throws easier on taller guys because my hips are already lower than theirs. However, the thing that makes it hard is getting passed those gadget arms to get in close enough to them go for it, which is where reaps and sweeps have the advantage.

BKR
9/07/2017 6:29pm,
I find the hip/lifting throws easier on taller guys because my hips are already lower than theirs. However, the thing that makes it hard is getting passed those gadget arms to get in close enough to them go for it, which is where reaps and sweeps have the advantage.

Right, that's why you use them all together with gripping to close the distance.

Looking at throws in isolation (not saying you suggest that) is a big problem.

A taller guy can fence you out with those gadget arms on any throw attempt.

cualltaigh
9/07/2017 6:30pm,
That's not kouchi gari, it's a a double leg trapping uke foot...


I know you don't agree with me on the way I describe some throws but even I don't call this a kouchi gari. I do like this takedown though.