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Myn
8/10/2017 9:29pm,
What is a good word-for-word liability waiver for 2 people who agree to fight it out? If I challenge someone to a fight, I would want to have all of my bases covered, right? What's used in throwdowns to protect participants?

Thanks for your time!

V/R

Myn

Pship Destroyer
8/10/2017 9:35pm,
Death match waiver, preferably via body-cam.

What good is paper in the digital age?

Get it on camera, bro.

Myn
8/10/2017 9:40pm,
Death match waiver, preferably via body-cam.

What good is paper in the digital age?

Get it on camera, bro.

Paper is great for a lawsuit - in the digital age paper is easier, faster, and more reliable to back up than webcam footage due to file size, ease of duplication, etc. Not to mention that terms would be very explicitly spelled out leaving no room for misconception or for adverse legal action.

Thanks for your input!

V/R

Myn

ermghoti
8/10/2017 9:41pm,
There are not a lot of places in the US where you can agree to fight legally, documents or not. You can spar at a gym if they allow it, and they will have to agree to your ruleset. You can enter a match of some sort. You can't change some flavor of assault into something else by getting the participants to agree to it, or else dueling would be legal.

Pship Destroyer
8/10/2017 9:46pm,
There are not a lot of places in the US where you can agree to fight legally, documents or not. You can spar at a gym if they allow it, and they will have to agree to your ruleset. You can enter a match of some sort. You can't change some flavor of assault into something else by getting the participants to agree to it, or else dueling would be legal.

Yeah but BJJ and Judo gyms are cheap and plentiful. Good MMA gyms are expensive but plentiful.

What more do you need.

If Kung Fu Deathmatch is your thing, I'm sure there's a venue for that. Or whole cities like Seattle. Chacun son gout.

ermghoti
8/10/2017 9:54pm,
That's what I was getting at. Get to a MMA joint or hop a bus to SEA.

Myn
8/10/2017 9:55pm,
Something like this is interesting to look at - http://www.iscfmma.com/LiabilityWaiver.pdf

What are the conditions under which fighting is legal? Is it having an event? A sanctioning body? What constitutes an event? Who provides a sanctioning body with authority? How hard would it be to get that authority? Etc. Etc.

Would be wonderful to get a legal perspective on this, I'm definitely no attorney though I'm familiar with paperwork :)

Thanks everyone for your comments, thoughts, and feedback!

V/R

Myn

Sam Browning
8/10/2017 10:28pm,
I was asked to do a waiver. I've really stopped acting as lawyer for the site, when I stepped down from staff in 2013. Please find a well written waiver used in your particular state and go with it.

Myn
8/10/2017 10:33pm,
I was asked to do a waiver. I've really stopped acting as lawyer for the site, when I stepped down from staff in 2013. Please find a well written waiver used in your particular state and go with it.

Thank you Mr. Browning,

Is a waiver all that's needed in all states to remove liability, or just in some of them? Which additional requirements do you know of to protect participants from legal consequences?

Thanks so much for your time,

V/R

Myn

BackFistMonkey
8/10/2017 10:35pm,
or else dueling would be legal.

Mutually agreed upon combat is legal in some areas. I remember the "Superhero" Phoenix Jones here from Bullshido fighting a drunk asshole while a couple cops watched and ref'ed it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bRp2-ihx10

BackFistMonkey
8/10/2017 10:39pm,
Thank you Mr. Browning,

Is a waiver all that's needed in all states to remove liability, or just in some of them? Which additional requirements do you know of to protect participants from legal consequences?

Thanks so much for your time,

V/R

Myn

Varies state to state and sometimes, depending on the situation, no waiver will help you.

Myn
8/10/2017 10:40pm,
Varies state to state and sometimes, depending on the situation, no waiver will help you.

What do martial arts gyms have then that allow sparring? What specifically allows sanctioned fighting in these states?

V/R

Myn

BackFistMonkey
8/10/2017 10:45pm,
insurance.

BackFistMonkey
8/10/2017 10:48pm,
and **** ... I can't remember the term but it applies to sky diving, scuba and other extreme sports/hobbies too. It assumes the person being instructed understands that the activity is risky and could result in harm or death.

Sam Browning
8/10/2017 11:00pm,
Well as a general principal a waiver cannot make illegal activity legal. For example a waiver would not make dueling or death matches legal.

While a sporting event MMA type waiver would work in most states and under most conditions I refuse to say the word "all states" because I don't practice in all states. Only in Connecticut.

I'll have to avoid the other questions since refreshing my recollection concerning this portion of the law would take hours, and I'm already overcommitted to the Seth Rich thread.

Sorry, I stopped providing free legal advice to strangers years ago.

Sam Browning
8/10/2017 11:02pm,
and **** ... I can't remember the term but it applies to sky diving, scuba and other extreme sports/hobbies too. It assumes the person being instructed understands that the activity is risky and could result in harm or death.

It's called the assumption of the risk doctrine, and while fairly predictable, I'm sure at least several states have limited it extent. And no, I will not be doing free research on this topic.