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BackFistMonkey
6/29/2017 5:43pm,
National Rifle Association ad gaining traction online appears to be 'an open call to violence' (http://www.businessinsider.com/national-rifle-association-ad-call-to-violence-2017-6)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtGOQFf9VCE





"They use their media to assassinate real news. They use their schools to teach children that their president is another Hitler. They use their movie stars and singers and comedy shows and award shows to repeat their narrative over and over again. And then they use their ex-president to endorse the resistance.

"All to make them march, make them protest, make them scream racism and sexism and xenophobia and homophobia. To smash windows, burn cars, shut down interstates and airports, bully and terrorize the law-abiding until the only option left is for the police to do their jobs and stop the madness.

"And when that happens, they'll use it as an excuse for their outrage. The only way we stop this, the only way we save our country and our freedom, is to fight this violence of lies with the clenched fist of truth. I'm the National Rifle Association of America, and I'm freedom's safest place."


Conservative Columnist Anna Applebaum (https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/880375993218850816) writes:

Watch this NRA recruitment video: calls on real Americans to arm themselves to fight liberals. Violence is coming.

I was looking for some input from the LEO and Military membership on this NRA advertisement and its implications.

Sam Browning
6/29/2017 9:53pm,
I have never seen that woman on camera not looking and acting incredibly angry. I wish the NRA would get a different spokesperson, but they probably just love her presentations.

ghost55
6/30/2017 4:18am,
These people are batshit. I say that as someone that really likes guns and thinks that the NFA shouldn't exist.

DCS
6/30/2017 5:40am,
I can hear Devil fapping from here.

BackFistMonkey
6/30/2017 6:58am,
I was seriously hoping to get some LEO and active/former Military opinions on the content and message.

Diesel_tke
6/30/2017 8:57am,
I think it is worded pretty well: "the clenched fist of truth". That's pretty good. It is worded so that they will be able to say, "What? We didn't advocate violence at all, we told people to stand by the truth in response to all of these attacks". But average Joe American who is already pissed off, and agrees with all of those things is going to say, "Yeah, f-em. We have to fight fire with fire." But will say those things while drinking beer at the river and then go back to work on Monday.

Is the idiots of the world who just got laid off from work or didn't get a new job they wanted, who will blame liberals/blacks instead of their shitty employment history or failed drug test. Those people will see this video and use it as an excuse to do stupid things.

In the end, it's not a very productive message. The first two paragraphs may be accurate based on some people's perception. But the last paragraph is irresponsible.

Cassius
6/30/2017 11:36am,
I happen to feel that "mainstream media" has decided to settle in on a modernized version of yellow journalism on many topics, though I don't know how much is comprised of selective truth telling, and how much is comprised of conscious or unconscious bias. There is a marked leap to editorialization in news, though the "mainstream media" does tend to prefer framing a subject a certain way vs Brietbart style making **** up (often in the form of conspiracy theories) to occupy space between tiny nuggets of accurate information.

As to the antics of the left, this strikes me as a very millennial heavy movement, which seems to have a mirror in the alt right. It is almost a reflection of frustration of perceived powerlessness among that group. They don't like the current economy, political climate, government, etc, so they misbehave.

Overall this ad strikes me as a good parallel to the anti-gun bloody flag waving that modern gun control groups like to use, and it is about as irresponsible as that, too. I give it a solid "meh." More of the same from the NRA. Shooting itself in the foot long term in order to bolster its war chest for the 2018 election cycle. Antifas, terrorists, communists. As long as there's an enemy . . .

Bneterasedmynam
7/10/2017 3:08pm,
Meh, it's just business as usual for the NRA. Fear sells guns, it's not a new tactic. I really don't see the big deal.

FaerieGodfather
7/24/2017 2:35am,
I signed up for a year. They fucked themselves out of another year's dues pretty good by having their scriptmonkey call me a "freedom hating radical" for opposing Trump's agenda.

Permalost
7/24/2017 5:03pm,
Pidgeonholing your base while alienating those different from you is poor marketing.

Wounded Ronin
8/02/2017 10:01am,
I have clicked through to an article by Wayne LaPierre on 1st Freedom and frankly it disturbs me. It is like he is trying to incite NRA members to hate anyone who doesn't blindly support Donald Trump. I feel very concerned about the content of this article, as well as the baldly stated falsehoods, such as the idea that the investigations against Trump have no merit whatsoever, or that the 2nd Amendment is somehow equivalent to economic issues (see his allusion to class warfare). Or even the statement that Obama engineered a "planned decline" of the United States, whatever that means.

There is so much irony in his accusing others of "blind anger".

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2017/7/24/media-rage-against-trump-and-his-promise-of-a-better-nation/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=insider&utm_campaign=0817



For the older members of our political family, none have seen anything like the mass hatred leveled at a sitting president. Hatred isn’t strong enough. It is coldly staged, organized rage. It’s everywhere in a willing media, and it’s leveled against what should be the normal, peaceful change in government. It is manufactured rage against the good Americans who voted for a change of direction for our nation.

In all of this, the media rage-machine is promoting talk of impeachment—on nothing but blind anger.

But the rage is not just against a good, duly elected president, Donald Trump; it is against his promise of a better nation. The rage is against all Americans who want to end the planned decline of the United States, orchestrated by eight years of Barack Obama and his political machine.

The elite rage is against you, me, our families, friends and co-workers who believe in Trump’s campaign slogan, “Make America Great Again.” The rage is against Trump succeeding and keeping his promises.

Those who are orchestrating this relentless campaign are the keepers of the swamp.

This is a class hatred most Americans in modern times have never witnessed.

I say most Americans, because as NRA members, we are used to the bigoted hostility of the media and the enemies of freedom. We have borne the brunt of it since NRA emerged as the most potent lobbying force in the nation.

This year, we are celebrating the 40th anniversary of what has come to be known as the “Cincinnati Revolution”—the unique and proud moment in the history of the association when members rose up in a spontaneous movement and took back their NRA from internal players who were hell-bent on abandoning the defense of the right to keep and bear arms, which they found embarrassing.

But the revolution, which made possible the power and status of the NRA today, began two years earlier, in 1975, when a handful of leaders—including then Congressman John Dingell and just-past NRA President Allan Cors, among others—convinced the Board of Directors to create a separate, independent lobbying arm—the NRA Institute for Legislative Action (ILA). It was a far-sighted move that the members demanded.

The Institute was staffed by young, diverse and—above all—totally dedicated men and women who worked tirelessly to forever change the political landscape of our nation. For all of these men and women, losing was not in their vocabulary.

These remarkable pioneers understood the collective power of NRA members. Under the astute leadership of former NRA President Harlon B. Carter, almost overnight ILA established itself as a force to be reckoned with. In its first year of existence, ILA won battles on Capitol Hill never thought possible.

But as ILA succeeded beyond expectations, forces within the NRA were organizing an internal coup intended to abandon and destroy this new lobby and move the NRA in a whole new direction. Literally these forces within the hierarchy and on the Board wanted to move the NRA away from saving the Second Amendment into policy areas to curry the respect of the Second Amendment-denying media.

Their scheme to turn away from the Second Amendment was doomed by the rank-and-file members of the NRA through a spontaneous reaction that came to a head at the members meeting in Cincinnati in 1977. During an all-night session of the Annual Meeting of Members, ILA was saved and the NRA was put on a permanent path with a single goal—preserving the liberty uniquely reserved to individual Americans. It was a birthright moment, and it indeed changed the course of American history.

That outcome at Cincinnati—the total dedication of NRA as the oldest civil rights organization in the nation—was a forceful transition into the NRA we know today.

That solidarity was met with a new and more hateful reaction by the media. From then through today, the media has referred to Cincinnati as a takeover by “radicals.” What is radical about being dedicated to the preservation of the Bill of Rights for all peaceable Americans? If that is radical, then we all should embrace the word.

Cincinnati was not the takeover of the NRA by “crazies,” it was a reaffirmation of our role in preserving American liberty—the will of the members.

And that gets back to the venom of the media and of the political elites against the transition of power and the election of President Trump.

In the watershed 2016 election, Trump and his majorities in both houses of Congress have a mandate: Put the nation back on track.

The election was about returning to what President Abraham Lincoln described as the vision of the founders—a government “of the people, by the people, for the people.”

For the eight years of Barack Obama’s “fundamental transformation,” it had become his government “of the elites, by the elites and for the elites.”

What we are seeing in the deluge of hatred and bigotry against the remarkable change in the direction of our nation—against the will of a beleaguered people—is the elites gone rabid.

Trump has sworn to make our nation great again, and the elites can’t allow that to happen.

Hence we are beginning to hear talk of “impeachment.” It’s growing in the media. It’s crazy.

But it can’t happen unless the likes of Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and Sen. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and their media cheerleaders succeed in winning majorities in the coming 2018 mid-term congressional elections. Removing Trump will be their single evil election issue. Bank on it.

But just as NRA members were a major factor in electing the most pro-Second Amendment president since Ronald Reagan, and a Congress to back him, we must work hard to maintain our majorities in the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives. And we must protect our gains in state legislatures and governorships.

We must organize. We must overcome the unending false attacks against all things Trump so that the elites will not have a chance to attain their ultimate goal: to make America theirs again!

3moose1
8/11/2017 6:56pm,
So I'm former military, current law student, and I'm an NRA-certified law enforcement handgun and shotgun instructor. (The LE instructor courses are much different than the regular, nonsense instructor courses they hold).

The only reason I'm a member of the NRA is because my credentials require it. Personally, I can't stand them. Their legislative agenda is eclectic, and ostensibly looks out more for gun manufacturers than individual gun owners. This ad is ridiculous, and it makes me ashamed to even associate with the NRA.

Their pushing the GOP party line of "zomg ur so in dangerz". It's ridiculous - violent crime is declining, and has been declining for decades! Pushing this ridiculous, divisive rhetoric accomplishes nothing. Motherfuckers need to realize that people can differ on opinion. That's fine. It's okay. The world will not fucking end.

Goddamn.

BackFistMonkey
8/15/2017 3:43pm,
Based on the Right Wing violence against the rest of America this past weekend, and the people involved retweeting tweets, posting videos and using slogans from the NRA recent campaigns. I can't help but wonder if everyone has the same blase feelings about this approach of the NRA Marketing violence against Americans and that maybe it is just a little more than a little bit irresponsible.

Cassius
8/15/2017 4:08pm,
Based on the Right Wing violence against the rest of America this past weekend, and the people involved retweeting tweets, posting videos and using slogans from the NRA recent campaigns. I can't help but wonder if everyone has the same blase feelings about this approach of the NRA Marketing violence against Americans and that maybe it is just a little more than a little bit irresponsible.You're going to need to clarify your hypothesis a bit.

BackFistMonkey
8/15/2017 5:17pm,
You're going to need to clarify your hypothesis a bit.

Yeah I am having a hard time getting my thoughts written clearly.

Many of the White Nationalist/Alt Right/White Supremacists/Nazi/KKK protesters which have been dehooded since this past weekend's events have been found promoting this video and tweets I started this thread with.

This includes the Domestic Terrorist driving the car which injured 19 people and killed one and led to the death of two Officers in a helicopter crash. Some of the men who were beating the black boy in the parking garage next to police station have been dehooded as well as one of the 3% who was standing guard with a long gun at the ready keeping away anyone attempting to help. They too were posting and promoting the NRA's ideas that violence is the answer when the news shows your faults and tells you things you don't like about yourself, the country you live in, and the leader you voted in to lead the country as whole.

I was wondering if anyone's easy acceptance of the NRA's creation of division and promotion of violence against fellow Americans had changed any. Or if anyone else has noticed a connection between the NRA and the current emboldening of racist **** bags and white first isolationists.

Cassius
8/15/2017 8:55pm,
Yeah I am having a hard time getting my thoughts written clearly.

Many of the White Nationalist/Alt Right/White Supremacists/Nazi/KKK protesters which have been dehooded since this past weekend's events have been found promoting this video and tweets I started this thread with.

This includes the Domestic Terrorist driving the car which injured 19 people and killed one and led to the death of two Officers in a helicopter crash. Some of the men who were beating the black boy in the parking garage next to police station have been dehooded as well as one of the 3% who was standing guard with a long gun at the ready keeping away anyone attempting to help. They too were posting and promoting the NRA's ideas that violence is the answer when the news shows your faults and tells you things you don't like about yourself, the country you live in, and the leader you voted in to lead the country as whole.

I was wondering if anyone's easy acceptance of the NRA's creation of division and promotion of violence against fellow Americans had changed any. Or if anyone else has noticed a connection between the NRA and the current emboldening of racist **** bags and white first isolationists.For my part, my feelings are conflicted. It's shortsighted rhetoric doesn't help much with the long game, but it does a good job these days of stifling gun control efforts. I'd be happy to support a less terrible alternative to more gun control. Well I am not a member, so support is a strong word.

As to whether I think the Dana Loesch crazy train is actually inciting violence? I'm not sure what isn't a flash point anymore these days. Everyone is so fucking mad at each other. Here I am in arguably the happiest days of my life, the most at peace I've ever been, and our country (or at least social media and a ton of people with nothing better to do) is full of people on both sides who have started to believe that folk on the other don't have the right to the oxygen in their lungs.

I'm really not sure where I stand. I don't really want to pay a $200 tax on gun mufflers or slightly shorter long guns anymore, but I don't think hot rhetoric about liberals being the enemy really does anyone any long term good. The rub is, I'm really not sure the right started this one. But hey, Israel and Palestine are doing well right now, so I am sure that we will follow their example and work everything out.