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alchemyfrauds
2/09/2017 11:42pm,
So it has just come to my attention that this guy has opened a bjj school right in the area of where I train. His website lists his rank as brown belt. If you google "Alchemy MMA Smithtown" and get to the instructors page you will see. It will not let me post link since this is my first post.

Through various sources and Long Island being a close knit bjj community we have learned he never received his brown belt and awarded it to himself. If anyone calls to verify where he received his rank any response will be very easy to debunk once you contact whoever he tells you awarded it to him. Some people told me this was the right place to post this, as it doesn't seem right someone should be lying about their rank and taking peoples money. If i can dig up anything further myself I will follow up, but I can say with 100% this guy is a fraud, and has promoted himself!!! Why not go full on blackbelt is what I am wondering?

BackFistMonkey
2/10/2017 12:20am,
So it has just come to my attention that this guy has opened a bjj school right in the area of where I train. His website lists his rank as brown belt. If you google "Alchemy MMA Smithtown" and get to the instructors page you will see. It will not let me post link since this is my first post.

Through various sources and Long Island being a close knit bjj community we have learned he never received his brown belt and awarded it to himself. If anyone calls to verify where he received his rank any response will be very easy to debunk once you contact whoever he tells you awarded it to him. Some people told me this was the right place to post this, as it doesn't seem right someone should be lying about their rank and taking peoples money. If i can dig up anything further myself I will follow up, but I can say with 100% this guy is a fraud, and has promoted himself!!! Why not go full on blackbelt is what I am wondering?

Those are huge claims my friend. They require evidence. Also Fraud is a legal term and you are seriously talking serious trouble without evidence.

http://alchemymma.net/


Also from what I can see there are no claims of any rank or accreditation on the site for BJJ or MMA... or Ke*po

alchemyfrauds
2/10/2017 12:45am,
The evidence is in the post don't know how I can come with more proof than I have. Anyone looking into this guys lineage can easily verify he was never awarded his stated rank. I've heard from multiple people close to the situation you can contact him and ask him. If he claims brown belt ask him to tell you where he got it? The followup phone call is all the proof you need.

alchemyfrauds
2/10/2017 12:48am,
If someone is claiming a rank other than what they actually received I do not understand how that would not be fraud? I am much more than confident that is the case here, so I am not worried.

alchemyfrauds
2/10/2017 12:49am,
I know there is a page that had his picture and rank....

alchemyfrauds
2/10/2017 12:50am,
It was originally hard to find but i dug it out.

alchemyfrauds
2/10/2017 12:51am,
http://alchemymma.net/alchemy_smithtown.html

cualltaigh
2/10/2017 2:20am,
He has a fairly solid competition history that is easy to verify. The question you seem to be asking is, between winning the purple belt division in June 2015 under Maxum BJJ and entering the Big Apple BJJ Open as a Brown belt in 2016 under his own academy, who (if anyone) promoted him to Brown Belt?

some competition history for verification:

2010 - 2nd White Adult Middleweight Long Island Pride Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu X (http://www.strongvon.com/lipridebjj10/m_tournament_main.jsp?page=SummaryWinners.html)[Maxum BJJ]
2012 - 3rd no-gi Intermediate Welterweight Grapplers Quest Morristwon, New Jersey (http://www.grapplersquest.com/events/results/official-results-day-1-2012-grapplers-quest-us-national-championships-july-21-2012-mo)[Serra Maxum]
2012 - 1st Blue Adult Welterweight Grapplers Quest Morristown, New Jersey (http://wqww.grapplers.com/events/results/official-results-day-2-2012-grapplers-quest-us-national-championships-july-22-2012-mo) [Maxum BJJ]
2014 - registered Purple adult middleweight New York Spring International Open (http://static.ibjjfdb.com/Campeonato/000250/en-US/RegistrationsByCategoryAndAcademy.pdf) [Serra BJJ Academy]
2015 - 1st Purple Adult 181.5 lbs Big Apple BJJ Open (http://www.bigapplebjjopen.com/BA5-results.pdf) [Maxum BJJ]
2016 - 1st Brown Adult 181.5 lbs Big Apple BJJ Open (http://server.strongvon.com/bigapplebjj6/m_tournament_main.jsp?page=SummaryWinners.html) [Alchemy School of Jiu Jitsu]
2016 - registered no-gi advanced Medium-Heavy weight Grappling Industries Manhattan (http://mataleao.ca/docs/GI/2016_giny2_ByDivision.pdf) [Alchemy Martial Arts]


Maxum thought enough of him to teach their kids class as a purple belt (https://www.instagram.com/p/zSWYwrPU70/?taken-by=maxum_bjj) (Feb-15).

So who at maxim BJJ have you spoken to about his rank?

Also, what gym did you say you train at?

alchemyfrauds
2/10/2017 4:01am,
Various people around Maxum also roll at other gyms. It is a widely known and talked about story in the local community since there are like 5 schools in a 10 mile radius. There is also a legit school ran by a highly regarded Soca Black Belt within 2 miles of this place. I am not asking a question of who promoted him between those dates because I already know the answer.....himself! I do not know the guys from Maxum that were the source of the information well enough to post their identities on here, I have to ask them first at the very least. However the story can be verified very quickly for anyone looking to do so. I've always heard the stories of guys claiming fake black belts. This is the first I've heard of someone promoting themselves to brown belt instead!

cualltaigh
2/10/2017 5:10am,
Various people around Maxum also roll at other gyms. It is a widely known and talked about story in the local community since there are like 5 schools in a 10 mile radius.

This is just hearsay. It was also a once widely known and talked about story that the moon was made of cheese. If you are going to claim fraud we need evidence, not hearsay.


There is also a legit school ran by a highly regarded Soca Black Belt within 2 miles of this place. I am not asking a question of who promoted him between those dates because I already know the answer.....himself!

But how do you know for sure? As someone from the opposite side of the planet (and thus no ties to the community), what can you present to me to convince me that he promoted himself?


I do not know the guys from Maxum that were the source of the information well enough to post their identities on here, I have to ask them first at the very least.

What about a statement from the instructor/s at Maxum regarding what rank they did award him?


However the story can be verified very quickly for anyone looking to do so. I've always heard the stories of guys claiming fake black belts.

By starting this thread, that anyone is you. The onus is on you to verify your claims of fraud. Which shouldn't be too difficult as you say "the story can be verified very quickly".


This is the first I've heard of someone promoting themselves to brown belt instead!

Oh there was another one about three months ago, it happens.

Shawarma
2/10/2017 6:24am,
Wouldn't this be resolved fairly easily by calling him and asking him and then asking whoever gave him his belt if they did indeed do so?

Crazy, I know, but seems like this should be dealt with in private first before dragging in the internet goon squad.

Michael Tzadok
2/10/2017 7:39am,
Wouldn't this be resolved fairly easily by calling him and asking him and then asking whoever gave him his belt if they did indeed do so?

Crazy, I know, but seems like this should be dealt with in private first before dragging in the internet goon squad.

I know this is a minor derail, but when was the last time that you saw an actual investigation happen here? Most of what I've seen in recent months have been essentially drive by defamations by people with beef with little to no actual evidence to back up anything that they say. It is to the point that when ever I see the little "new" marker light up next to this forum I instinctively roll my eyes fair certain it is going to be something like this. It wouldn't be quite so bad if there weren't a bunch of stickies and read mes spelling out how to use this particular subforum.

alchemyfrauds
2/10/2017 1:42pm,
I know this is a minor derail, but when was the last time that you saw an actual investigation happen here? Most of what I've seen in recent months have been essentially drive by defamations by people with beef with little to no actual evidence to back up anything that they say. It is to the point that when ever I see the little "new" marker light up next to this forum I instinctively roll my eyes fair certain it is going to be something like this. It wouldn't be quite so bad if there weren't a bunch of stickies and read mes spelling out how to use this particular subforum.

I have heard from upper ranks within the school that gave him his last rank (purple). I tried to call that school today (Maxum) and nobody answered. So I guess once i get someone within the school to verify what dozens of people and myself already know, I will post it on here.

alchemyfrauds
2/10/2017 1:46pm,
I think there is a disconnect somewhere and people are not understanding what I am saying exactly. I have no axe to grind, just have never heard of someone faking rank in Long Island before. The jury is already out on this kid, but I will take the steps to backup exactly what I already know. (from multiple sources inside his school and out) If someone knows how please save the webpage showing his rank because odds are once they get wind of this, they are going to pull it.

Ming Loyalist
2/10/2017 1:51pm,
I think there is a disconnect somewhere and people are not understanding what I am saying exactly.

the only disconnect is that you seem unclear about what does and doesn't constitute "fraud" and "proof". people have referenced the stickies in this forum, have you read them? is anything in those stickies unclear about what does and doesn't constitute a proper MABS post?

It is Fake
2/10/2017 10:11pm,
I think there is a disconnect somewhere and people are not understanding what I am saying exactly. I have no axe to grind, just have never heard of someone faking rank in Long Island before. The jury is already out on this kid, but I will take the steps to backup exactly what I already know. (from multiple sources inside his school and out) If someone knows how please save the webpage showing his rank because odds are once they get wind of this, they are going to pull it.We understand EXACTLY what you said, the disconnect isn't from this website. People have been highly cordial with you. You have YET to prove he is "faking Rank". Everything you have stated is second and third hand information based on "a close knit bjj community."
You might be right, but to post in this forum and call someone a fraud YOU MUST PROVIDE PROOF. It is not for me or anyone else to do the Job for you. Someone even helped you out by showing, he has competition records through Purple Belt. Honestly, why would 6+ years, we do not know how long he trained before he competed, seem weird to be a Brown Belt?