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BKR
1/24/2017 7:40pm,
One of my judo students ends up frequently in the position you will see against a turtled opponent. We worked on it for a bit, and this is the "technique" I was trying to remember how to do. I got part of it, and a variation, need some more details (video reference would be great).

We ended up calling it a "reverse seat belt" position, for lack of better term.

Any help would be appreciated.

Go to about :20 in this video for a reference. Thanks to Pshipdestroyer for the inadvertent help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyLk4HkMEDY

ghost55
1/24/2017 7:47pm,
Kind of looks like a sprawl with the arm placement suggesting a set-up for an anaconda choke. But I'm an idiot so don't listen to me.

BKR
1/24/2017 7:54pm,
Kind of looks like a sprawl with the arm placement suggesting a set-up for an anaconda choke. But I'm an idiot so don't listen to me.

This is a serious forum, JNP will personally ground and pound anybody who acts up here. Or maybe it's Plasma now, who knows.

I thought maybe Anaconda or some similar head and arm type of choke. At one point, we were working pretty hard on the anaconda, and one of my students (this was a few years ago) almost pulled it off a few times in competition.

I may show it to my BJJ coach and see what he thinks.

We are finding that taking the back with seat belt grip is totally unexpected by judoka at this time. It's so versatile, but the reverse or front position, which happens frequently, is a bit different.

ghost55
1/24/2017 7:59pm,
This is a serious forum, JNP will personally ground and pound anybody who acts up here. Or maybe it's Plasma now, who knows.

I thought maybe Anaconda or some similar head and arm type of choke. At one point, we were working pretty hard on the anaconda, and one of my students (this was a few years ago) almost pulled it off a few times in competition.

I may show it to my BJJ coach and see what he thinks.

We are finding that taking the back with seat belt grip is totally unexpected by judoka at this time. It's so versatile, but the reverse or front position, which happens frequently, is a bit different.

If he ends up there a lot I would seriously recommend trying to get him to learn how to do a d'arce choke. being able to threaten an anaconda or a d'arce from that position depending on where arms end up is a nasty combo.

BKR
1/24/2017 8:04pm,
If he ends up there a lot I would seriously recommend trying to get him to learn how to do a d'arce choke. being able to threaten an anaconda or a d'arce from that position depending on where arms end up is a nasty combo.

It's a she, LOL...

In any case, I'll look up d'Arce as well.

submessenger
1/24/2017 8:05pm,
Looks like anaconda to me. There are variations depending on the setup.

BKR
1/24/2017 8:15pm,
Not sure he is choking the guy on bottom, the ref calls "osaekomi", though...

BKR
1/24/2017 8:25pm,
Looks like anaconda to me. There are variations depending on the setup.

Yeah, it looks like instead of laying on his side, he keeps going in order to get a pin...

ChenPengFi
1/24/2017 8:26pm,
It's a she, LOL...

In any case, I'll look up d'Arce as well.

You might find more gi variations under Brabo.

submessenger
1/24/2017 8:27pm,
Yeah, it looks like instead of laying on his side, he keeps going in order to get a pin...

Right, usually with anaconda you are just falling to the left or right side. Darce is very similar, but the fact that they end up in north/south upside down is what leads me to think it's anaconda and not Darce.

ghost55
1/24/2017 8:29pm,
You might find more gi variations under Brabo.

I was going to recommend that, but the set-up can take a bit more time than a lot of Judo refs give for newaza. The No gi version is a lot faster.

Raycetpfl
1/24/2017 8:29pm,
This is a serious forum, JNP will personally ground and pound anybody who acts up here. Or maybe it's Plasma now, who knows.

I thought maybe Anaconda or some similar head and arm type of choke. At one point, we were working pretty hard on the anaconda, and one of my students (this was a few years ago) almost pulled it off a few times in competition.

I may show it to my BJJ coach and see what he thinks.

We are finding that taking the back with seat belt grip is totally unexpected by judoka at this time. It's so versatile, but the reverse or front position, which happens frequently, is a bit different.

Its like a shitty head arm...but they have hands on the gi so this may be better for flipping them over? That seems to be their goal.

For me, I would be attacking chokes there not trying to flip them. Arm in Guillotine, anaconda, anaconda-tine, dare ,darce/brabo and Peruvian necktie /Hell Strangle, clock chokes or take the back

Raycetpfl
1/24/2017 8:30pm,
I was going to recommend that, but the set-up can take a bit more time than a lot of Judo refs give for newaza. The No gi version is a lot faster.

Its the same choke. It's just nomenclature.

Raycetpfl
1/24/2017 8:33pm,
Right, usually with anaconda you are just falling to the left or right side. Darce is very similar, but the fact that they end up in north/south upside down is what leads me to think it's anaconda and not Darce.

Anaconda is arms on the outside darce/brabo is arms on the inside.

cualltaigh
1/24/2017 8:55pm,
One of my judo students ends up frequently in the position you will see against a turtled opponent. We worked on it for a bit, and this is the "technique" I was trying to remember how to do. I got part of it, and a variation, need some more details (video reference would be great).

We ended up calling it a "reverse seat belt" position, for lack of better term.

Any help would be appreciated.

Go to about :20 in this video for a reference. Thanks to Pshipdestroyer for the inadvertent help.

If you mean the one at 0:22 we refer to that as front control, though some call it head and arm control. As well as the Anaconda choke (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4LQMLYJ9yo) there is also a Loop Choke (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RElhT0Px0_g), Peruvian Necktie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG4nalSL6kw), as well as a arm in guillotine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Wby6rjyIU) and d'arce (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C33itcLomj4) amongst others.

Once you get bored of those you can also come around the side to take the back (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo_7NF4jh9s) ,
setup a crucifix with lapel choke (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5yzT2p31u8), Clock choke (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL7Bx5Dz-Sg), Suicide choke (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GofLsIHhZIE), Hangman choke (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4ir726iX54), Hungarian roll (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re1bTEr8UVU), rolling arm-bar (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrLfaE0omwg)
alt rolling arm-bar (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaKpqwu9IE4).

Or just bulldoze them into side control.

BKR
1/24/2017 10:29pm,
Its like a shitty head arm...but they have hands on the gi so this may be better for flipping them over? That seems to be their goal.

For me, I would be attacking chokes there not trying to flip them. Arm in Guillotine, anaconda, anaconda-tine, dare ,darce/brabo and Peruvian necktie /Hell Strangle, clock chokes or take the back

Thanks, Rayce.

I thought I could see the guy positioning his hands on the gi, but the video is not at a good angle.

I believe you are correct, the point was to flip the guy over and pin him, not do a choke. That is typical of Judo. You have to defend chokes, armbars, and pins, and it's tough to do all three at once.

The strategy we usually use is to go for a choke, they defend, then can switch to a turnover or armbar or multiply force of choke by rolling (like Hell Strangle, among many others). There are a lot of possibilities, so you have to have a sequence in mind, until you get good enough to do stuff on the fly, which is the ultimate goal.

Like I posted earlier, the seat belt from the side to a back take is stupid simple and works. If it doesn't, there are a lot of other options.

I love all the head and arm variations, and we are going to work them into the program. Huge potential in Judo competition...