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herb
12/31/2016 6:40pm,
I decided for my new years resolution I would get back into martial arts, with an emphasis on BJJ. I live in a small city in Wisconsin and assumed a BJJ black belt in my area is rare, I think I found a good instructor, but I also uncovered what I believe could be frauds or at best questionable.

So here goes, they both claim a black belt from Marcello Monteiro, who I know is a good BJJ practitioner and legitimate, but with a quick google search it seems he has actually been selling belts. Coupled with the VERY questionable bios on these guys makes it seem likely to be the case. I am not accusing anyone of anything but in martial arts honor and integrity are very important, misrepresentation is dangerous as we all know. I do not know much about BJJ but I really thought a black belt was hard to achieve, I hope that has not changed.


Nic Huebing - http://www.nextlevel-mma.com/ http://www.nextlevel-mma.com/instructor

He contradicts himself on his own website, first claiming 3 black belts and 16 years of martial arts training. Then claiming 25 years, then claiming it took 20 years to earn his BJJ black belt. Either he looks way younger than his age and has been training in BJJ since the mid 90's which is suspect in itself, or there are fabrications in his background.


Wade Barden - http://stronghold-athletics.com/ http://stronghold-athletics.com/your-instructor/

Claims to have earned his BJJ black belt in 5 years, he was only 23 and of course the youngest in state history. Is this even possible? He also claims going from blue to black in 3 years, again is that realistic or even possible?


On another site a legit BJJ black belt supposedly rolled with them and claimed they were at best blue belts. Both of them run what seem to be Mcdojos's and are passing out belts and teaching kids..

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/forums/BJJ/Black-belts-who-shouldnt-be:2036616-11
http://sweepking.blogspot.com/2012/09/blue-to-black-in-3-years.html
http://sweepking.blogspot.com/2012/09/ouch.html

I just really want some answers, if Monteiro is selling black belts that is bad, worse than that is these guys teaching kids and destroying the reputation of BJJ as a martial art.
Thank you for any help or responses in advance.

HenryBowman
1/03/2017 10:14pm,
Id look into or ask about these guys competition records. If they competed you will know when and at what belt and you can gauge how quickly the received their black belts. Its also tough to fake skills in actual competition and a blue belt competing with a legit black belt should be exposed pretty quickly. Just doing a cursory search, I found two videos of Barden competing as a black belt, so at least it appears as if he's putting his skills up against other black belts. Couldn't find anything on Huebing...


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sweats
1/03/2017 11:01pm,
Doesn't address the possibility of belt selling, but they are listed on his website.

https://bjjcoach.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=84&Itemid=41

Raycetpfl
1/04/2017 12:06am,
I decided for my new years resolution I would get back into martial arts, with an emphasis on BJJ. I live in a small city in Wisconsin and assumed a BJJ black belt in my area is rare, I think I found a good instructor, but I also uncovered what I believe could be frauds or at best questionable.

So here goes, they both claim a black belt from Marcello Monteiro, who I know is a good BJJ practitioner and legitimate, but with a quick google search it seems he has actually been selling belts. Coupled with the VERY questionable bios on these guys makes it seem likely to be the case. I am not accusing anyone of anything but in martial arts honor and integrity are very important, misrepresentation is dangerous as we all know. I do not know much about BJJ but I really thought a black belt was hard to achieve, I hope that has not changed.


Nic Huebing - http://www.nextlevel-mma.com/ http://www.nextlevel-mma.com/instructor

He contradicts himself on his own website, first claiming 3 black belts and 16 years of martial arts training. Then claiming 25 years, then claiming it took 20 years to earn his BJJ black belt. Either he looks way younger than his age and has been training in BJJ since the mid 90's which is suspect in itself, or there are fabrications in his background.


Wade Barden - http://stronghold-athletics.com/ http://stronghold-athletics.com/your-instructor/

Claims to have earned his BJJ black belt in 5 years, he was only 23 and of course the youngest in state history. Is this even possible? He also claims going from blue to black in 3 years, again is that realistic or even possible?


On another site a legit BJJ black belt supposedly rolled with them and claimed they were at best blue belts. Both of them run what seem to be Mcdojos's and are passing out belts and teaching kids..

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/forums/BJJ/Black-belts-who-shouldnt-be:2036616-11
http://sweepking.blogspot.com/2012/09/blue-to-black-in-3-years.html
http://sweepking.blogspot.com/2012/09/ouch.html

I just really want some answers, if Monteiro is selling black belts that is bad, worse than that is these guys teaching kids and destroying the reputation of BJJ as a martial art.
Thank you for any help or responses in advance.

I don't know any of these guys and can't speak for or against them.
There are people who get black belts in 5 years. They generally do 2 a days for 5 years straight and have very high aptitude.
A guy named Anton on team balance is a 5 year black belt. Gordon Ryan is a 5 year black belt.

BigJim520
1/04/2017 10:46am,
Nic Huebing - http://www.nextlevel-mma.com/ http://www.nextlevel-mma.com/instructor

He contradicts himself on his own website, first claiming 3 black belts and 16 years of martial arts training. Then claiming 25 years, then claiming it took 20 years to earn his BJJ black belt. Either he looks way younger than his age and has been training in BJJ since the mid 90's which is suspect in itself, or there are fabrications in his background.


Technically it says " The journey to black belt took Nic nearly 20 years." So "the journey" could include the time he spent doing Kempo. And yes, he looks very young in that picture.
Also that site lists his MMA record as 4-0, but Sherdog has one entry (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Nic-Huebing-47154) for someone with the same name with only an Amateur record of 1-0.

There's a copyright on the front page of 2011-12, so if they haven't update that page the 16 years there could match the 20 on the instructor page. I do like the fact that he has a 3rd degree black belt in MMA.

From his Facebook page it seems he got his BJJ BB in 2011 in a Note titled "10 years later".

Raycetpfl
1/04/2017 10:50am,
Technically it says " The journey to black belt took Nic nearly 20 years." So "the journey" could include the time he spent doing Kempo. And yes, he looks very young in that picture.
Also that site lists his MMA record as 4-0, but Sherdog has one entry (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Nic-Huebing-47154) for someone with the same name with only an Amateur record of 1-0.

There's a copyright on the front page of 2011-12, so if they haven't update that page the 16 years there could match the 20 on the instructor page. I do like the fact that he has a 3rd degree black belt in MMA.

It says super fights, not mma. They are probably grappling super fights. That means it wasn't part of a tournament. It was a single match. It's pretty common nomenclature for that in the grappling world.

DCS
1/04/2017 10:57am,
From his Facebook page it seems he got his BJJ BB in 2011 in a Note titled "10 years later".

Link doesn't work.

submessenger
1/04/2017 10:58am,
Technically it says " The journey to black belt took Nic nearly 20 years." So "the journey" could include the time he spent doing Kempo. And yes, he looks very young in that picture.
Also that site lists his MMA record as 4-0, but Sherdog has one entry (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Nic-Huebing-47154) for someone with the same name with only an Amateur record of 1-0.

There's a copyright on the front page of 2011-12, so if they haven't update that page the 16 years there could match the 20 on the instructor page. I do like the fact that he has a 3rd degree black belt in MMA.

From his Facebook page it seems he got his BJJ BB in 2011 in a Note titled "10 years later".

IANAL, but pretty sure you can't arbitrarily push forward a copyright date if the work hasn't changed. Not arguing, just explaining. The whole point of copyright is to guarantee an originator exclusive rights for a defined and terminable period.

BigJim520
1/04/2017 11:00am,
Link doesn't work.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/nic-huebing/10-years-later/10150148010498354

BigJim520
1/04/2017 11:05am,
It says super fights, not mma. They are probably grappling super fights. That means it wasn't part of a tournament. It was a single match. It's pretty common nomenclature for that in the grappling world.

I don't see that. I see MMA record (3-0, not 4-0 as I stated earlier).

From the front page.

NEXT LEVEL MARTIAL ARTS INSTRUCTOR
Shaolin Kempo Karate Black Belt • 3rd degree MMA Black Belt • Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Black Belt • 3-0 MMA record • 16yrs of Martial Arts Training

From the Instructor page

Nic Huebing
3rd degree Shaolin Kempo Karate Black Belt
1 stripe Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Black Belt
3-0 MMA record
25 yrs of Martial Arts Training

DCS
1/04/2017 11:17am,
https://www.facebook.com/notes/nic-huebing/10-years-later/10150148010498354

In the comments section Justin Morris says he knows Nic since he (Nic) was a blue and Morris a purple. From here (https://www.bjjcoach.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=158%3Ajustinmorris&catid=64%3Aassociationtestimonial&Itemid=132) and here (http://www.wiscnews.com/bdc/news/local/article_ca2550cb-2cf9-54f3-8547-73b1909354ed.html) Morris was a fresh purple in late 2003.

Raycetpfl
1/04/2017 12:33pm,
To the original poster .

Besides random accusations what proof do you have that their belts were bought & sold?

You talk about "Honor in Martial Arts" yet you're throwing around accusations of basically them having fake credentials and you don't seem to have anything that resembles proof.

How do you know that belts are being sold? Who told you? How do they know? What makes you believe they are credible? Did they show you proof?

Can these dudes fight? Are they knowledgeable? Are you knowledgeable enough to make that determination?

herb
1/04/2017 10:32pm,
To the original poster .

Besides random accusations what proof do you have that their belts were bought & sold?

You talk about "Honor in Martial Arts" yet you're throwing around accusations of basically them having fake credentials and you don't seem to have anything that resembles proof.

How do you know that belts are being sold? Who told you? How do they know? What makes you believe they are credible? Did they show you proof?

Can these dudes fight? Are they knowledgeable? Are you knowledgeable enough to make that determination?



I am not accusing anyone as I said before, I am just going off what I found with a google search, but this rabbit hole goes deeper I believe..

Multiple sources claimed the person was "selling belts" and as I said there are many black belts in very small towns around me. These are not the only 2, awarded from the same person who are in his association, it made me highly suspicious.


http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/forums/BJJ/Black-belts-who-shouldnt-be:2036616-12

"Fuzzy Badfeet - ...these two jive-asses nic and wade are the only part I have in this because I rolled with them and know they are blue belts. anyone else is outside my lane, frankly"

"I bet you that even though every marcello guy on this thread now knows he is a dealer. he sells affiliation, and belts to those affiliates, that not ONE of them will leave. If at this point you have read all of this, and you stay with monteiro then you are admiting that the money, authority, and prestige afforded to you as a result of being a blackbelt is more important to you than legitimately BEING blackbelt."


See my other links in the original post for more.. No I am not knowledgeable enough to make any determination, that is why I came here to the experts at weeding out the BS, as I said there is more to this story and I do not think it is unfounded. I will continue to dig deeper and post any information about this, thank you everyone for the help.

herb
1/05/2017 12:57am,
Id look into or ask about these guys competition records. If they competed you will know when and at what belt and you can gauge how quickly the received their black belts. Its also tough to fake skills in actual competition and a blue belt competing with a legit black belt should be exposed pretty quickly. Just doing a cursory search, I found two videos of Barden competing as a black belt, so at least it appears as if he's putting his skills up against other black belts. Couldn't find anything on Huebing...


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I found some on youtube also which I did not think of looking there thanks. He looks talented, but It seems he needs to add a couple losses in his record or he is just omitting them. Both of them say 3-0 record on their sites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlrFIzbQgiY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm9TAAnbJBw
His channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdiflWZ4CABUFN9hRdKQ5KQ



In the comments section Justin Morris says he knows Nic since he (Nic) was a blue and Morris a purple. From here (https://www.bjjcoach.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=158%3Ajustinmorris&catid=64%3Aassociationtestimonial&Itemid=132) and here (http://www.wiscnews.com/bdc/news/local/article_ca2550cb-2cf9-54f3-8547-73b1909354ed.html) Morris was a fresh purple in late 2003.

“He trains with every one of his students,” Justin Morris said. That sounds a bit odd to me. Who doesnt train with their students? Thanks for the info.

Maybe I am over paranoid or something but my experiences with teachers in the past has not been good. I really want to thank everyone for looking into this and giving advice.

DCS
1/05/2017 8:40am,
“He trains with every one of his students,” Justin Morris said. That sounds a bit odd to me. Who doesnt train with their students?
I believe in big clubs, run by big names, the probabilities of training with the main instructor are scarce.

WFMurphyPhD
1/05/2017 10:58am,
I believe in big clubs, run by big names, the probabilities of training with the main instructor are scarce.

As an example, at one of our schools, we have three regular adult BJJ classes a day plus women's classes.

I teach one of those adult Monday through Friday classes a day
(the class for mainly older and more senior ranked students, who get to attend that class by invitation only),
and I also give between 10 to 20 private lessons a week.

The other standing Monday through Friday classes, particularly the two general public adult BJJ classes, are taught by my students who are themselves BJJ black belts.

If you are the senior ranked guy, it usually a good thing for everybody to have the new black belts get teaching time.

First, it's good for the new black belts (and the brown belts and everybody really) to learn how to teach.

Second, it's good for the room because each black belt usually brings their own unique specializations to the room.

Third, if you as the senior black belt teach all the general classes it can interfere with you having the personal bandwidth to give the high level or up and coming students individual training to accelerate their development.

Fourth, senior instructors are often (but not always) older.
In my case, I am middle aged with kids.
I tire easily, bruise easily, and I make sure that I meet my other obligations.

Fifth, I do not always keep up with the new move names for old moves, or the latest grappling crazes like the new black belts do; so it is good to get the new black belts in teaching circulation with the up and coming students.
Conversely, I often am able to pull obscure grappling techniques, applications, trivia, and history from my old muddled brain that people act like they have not seen before or have not thought of. Grappling tricks often cycle in an out of fashion.

Finally, as a martial arts instructor or a leader in any organization, you should never ever make yourself indispensable.
You should never give yourself (nor trust yourself) with dictator like power.
Set up a flat, empowered, and delegated leadership team structure rather than a pyramid shaped leadership team structure.
Encourage people in co-leadership positions to disagree with you, even when it is inconvenient for you.
Allow for mechanisms where the owners of various areas of responsibility outside of your own have to be satisfied and can overrule you in their areas of responsibility.
Groom up replacements.
Be able to take vacations, get sick, or retire without the organization having to stop or slow or taking much of a hit because of it.
Select, train, and groom up people to be better than you are - to teach better, to grapple better, to make you tap, and throw you.
And, when your lieutenants want to spilt off and form their own organizations, do everything you can to help them.