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Clipdrift
12/24/2016 11:32pm,
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I was wondering how much influence karate really had on dutch kickboxing. because to me it looks alot like muay thai with more hand combinations and a boxing stance. i see no karate in that whatsoever.
I do understand that the pioneers were kyokushin karatekas BUT they studied muay thai and taught it.

Look at modern dutch muay thai fighters like nieky holzken or robin van roosmalen. They all started in muay thai and dont use any karate techniques. look up theit first fights
And what about ramon dekkers? He never did anything else but muay thai.

And also Why does every muay thai gym offer kickboxing classes? doesnt that show that they are very simillar minus the elbows and the clinch? looking at most glory fighters they look more like ramon dekkers kickboxing style (never did karate) then karate-style.
Of course there are exceptions like davit kiria or semmy schilt but those guys did exclusively karate for a long time before switching to Kickboxing.

Clipdrift
12/24/2016 11:33pm,
I was wondering how much influence karate really had on dutch kickboxing. because to me it looks alot like muay thai with more hand combinations and a boxing stance. i see no karate in that whatsoever.
I do understand that the pioneers were kyokushin karatekas BUT they studied muay thai and taught it.

Look at modern dutch muay thai fighters like nieky holzken or robin van roosmalen. They all started in muay thai and dont use any karate techniques. look up theit first fights
And what about ramon dekkers? He never did anything else but muay thai.

And also Why does every muay thai gym offer kickboxing classes? doesnt that show that they are very simillar minus the elbows and the clinch? looking at most glory fighters they look more like ramon dekkers kickboxing style (never did karate) then karate-style.
Of course there are exceptions like davit kiria or semmy schilt but those guys did exclusively karate for a long time before switching to Kickboxing.

Omega Supreme
12/25/2016 12:02am,
Merged threads.

Back kick and Axe kick is the only thing I know which comes from karate that Dutch Kickboxers use. Aside from that Muay Thai is a style it's debatable that kickboxing is even a style as much as a set of rules.

Clipdrift
12/26/2016 9:01am,
yeah and even the spinning **** and axe kick is debateable

Muay thai also uses spinning **** but less often:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnWRL4xwnMQ&t=22s

and here you can find the axe kick:
http://www.blackbeltwiki.com/muay-thai-kicks

the bigger problem is that these karate fanboys that ive been having discussions with just dont want to get it.

submessenger
12/26/2016 9:11am,
yeah and even the spinning **** and axe kick is debateable

Muay thai also uses spinning **** but less often:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnWRL4xwnMQ&t=22s

and here you can find the axe kick:
http://www.blackbeltwiki.com/muay-thai-kicks

the bigger problem is that these karate fanboys that ive been having discussions with just dont want to get it.

Oh, goody, Christmas necro spammer. Welcome to my radar.

Clipdrift
12/26/2016 10:12am,
uumm sorry i dont know what you mean

submessenger
12/26/2016 10:21am,
uumm sorry i dont know what you mean

THAT is the right answer. Welcome to Bullshido

itwasntme
12/26/2016 7:47pm,
ruleset/style argument aside, i thought the only thing that separated muay thai from kickboxing was head movement

Tramirezmma
12/27/2016 3:59am,
ruleset/style argument aside, i thought the only thing that separated muay thai from kickboxing was head movement

And sweet track pants, in the case of American Kickboxing.

ghost55
12/27/2016 5:56am,
And sweet track pants, in the case of American Kickboxing.

I thought American Kickboxing (at least when it was in it's track pants phase) was very heavily influenced by karate.

Tramirezmma
12/27/2016 6:07am,
I thought American Kickboxing (at least when it was in it's track pants phase) was very heavily influenced by karate.

It was indeed. Shoot, is indeed. There are still ISKA American style matches going on, I believe. Freestyle, not as much. Freestyle KB is basically MT with no clinching or knees, almost K1 rules. Or at least it was last time I competed in a KB match.