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jamesmcgrow
6/01/2016 3:51pm,
Today I woke up with one mind. Is the real to get success in mma or any other sport without steroids?
I think if you want to be successful you need to break the rules and use some cheats.
I'm bodybuilder and mma is just my hobbie. I use anabolics, use some aminoacides, 'cause I wanna be a big guy My first steroid I bought 2 years ago on thepharmacom.com and then I first time visited a mma trainings. I gave a lot of hateful sight on me, when people found that I use anabolics(OMG).
I don't wanna be a professional mma warrior. And what would be your reaction for the sportsmen, who used steroids.

scipio
6/02/2016 3:04am,
Like you I lift and MA's are my hobby. It is easy when you are lifting to look at taking a short cut to get big quick. Lets be honest, most (if not every gym) has a proportion of people taking steroids (OK I'm in the UK rather than the US but I suspect it is the same). In many respects it can and has become part of the culture.

However, if you are going to compete in any sport and you are on steroids (even at an amateur level) I think you need to decide where you want to be. My personal view on competing and steroids is that it is a no-no. I know in many amateur sports drugs testing is no way as mature as professional testing but the more people who are on steroids the higher the chance of testing.

I'm not sure what MMA does around drugs testing. I'm pretty ambivalent if you want to do 'roids if you are body building but no for competing. This is a personal view.

Taking steroids on amateur sports is on the rise - this is a link to amateur rugby players in the UK where steroid taking is apparently becoming rife.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-34902105

submessenger
6/02/2016 7:12am,
Welcome to Bullshido.

Read this: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B74DImjXhr_QLUhyRzNUUjk3V0U/edit, pages 26 and 27.

BigJim520
6/02/2016 7:42am,
IBJJF world championships is doing testing (http://ibjjf.org/championship/world-jiu-jitsu-championship/).

Jim Giant
6/02/2016 8:12am,
I'm no expert but I know there's a lot more to performance enhancing drugs than just anabolics. It's not just muscle mass, it's fat burning, endurance, recovery etc.

Drug testing appears to be an IQ test, athletes get away with it for years before getting caught and I don't see why MMA would be any difference. As an amateur martial artist I consider it a waste of money but at the professional level I expect athletes to do everything in their power to win.

goodlun
6/02/2016 12:01pm,
At an armature level I think its Bull ****!!!
You are competing with the Accountant that does MMA for fun and wants to get into the ring.
That is seriously an unfair advantage.
At the pro level you might have to make up for what ever you lack in genetics.
or like Jim Giant said for all the other factors other than strength.
Quicker recovery time means more fights, more training, more chance at success.

Raycetpfl
6/02/2016 12:13pm,
Today I woke up with one mind. Is the real to get success in mma or any other sport without steroids?
I think if you want to be successful you need to break the rules and use some cheats.
I'm bodybuilder and mma is just my hobbie. I use anabolics, use some aminoacides, 'cause I wanna be a big guy My first steroid I bought 2 years ago on thepharmacom.com and then I first time visited a mma trainings. I gave a lot of hateful sight on me, when people found that I use anabolics(OMG).
I don't wanna be a professional mma warrior. And what would be your reaction for the sportsmen, who used steroids.

Since it's a weight class sport I don't think it's a big deal. There won't be an insurmountable strength diffence between natural and steroid users of the same weight. There are pros and cons to usage and its a choice every man has to make for himself.
I am however against women taking anabolics and competing.
The difference between men and women in athletic ability changes at puberty. This is because of testosterone. It's not fair to make women have to turn themselves into something in between a man and woman to compete in sports.

So for dudes I am pro-choice and for chick's I don't think it's fair because the cost is so much bigger when making that choice.

Jim Giant
6/02/2016 1:27pm,
Since it's a weight class sport I don't think it's a big deal. There won't be an insurmountable strength diffence between natural and steroid users of the same weight. There are pros and cons to usage and its a choice every man has to make for himself.
I am however against women taking anabolics and competing.
The difference between men and women in athletic ability changes at puberty. This is because of testosterone. It's not fair to make women have to turn themselves into something in between a man and woman to compete in sports.

So for dudes I am pro-choice and for chick's I don't think it's fair because the cost is so much bigger when making that choice.

I disagree. Becoming the best in the world takes should take sacrifice and for women that may include losing their femininity. That being said there are plenty of women on anabolics who still look feminine.

You could say the same thing about men turning in to something half way between a man and a gorilla.

Weight classes certainly go some way towards levelling the playing field but from what I remember of a study looking at elite powerlifters there is still about a 10% difference between naturals and enhanced though this relies on the naturals actually being honest which they almost certainly aren't. I suspect the real difference is more like 20-25% which is huge.

Anabolics also improve recovery and likely improve pain tolerance and reaction time not to mention the effects of other PEDs.

Raycetpfl
6/02/2016 1:40pm,
I disagree. Becoming the best in the world takes should take sacrifice and for women that may include losing their femininity. That being said there are plenty of women on anabolics who still look feminine.

You could say the same thing about men turning in to something half way between a man and a gorilla.

Weight classes certainly go some way towards levelling the playing field but from what I remember of a study looking at elite powerlifters there is still about a 10% difference between naturals and enhanced though this relies on the naturals actually being honest which they almost certainly aren't. I suspect the real difference is more like 20-25% which is huge.

Anabolics also improve recovery and likely improve pain tolerance and reaction time not to mention the effects of other PEDs. Anabolic
Steroid use does permanent damage to women. So I disagree.
In fighting muscles are just a small piece of the pie compared to weight lifting where they are 9/10ths of the pie. Those guys are strength athletes.

As far as men becoming gorillas? Its not that drastic in fighting because being really big is not an advantage. All through out history long reigning HW champs in combat sports have all been around 200-250. The exceptions towards the heavy ent of that have always been quite tall. Powder lifter physiques are not ideal for fighting.

ChenPengFi
6/02/2016 1:44pm,
Anabolic
Steroid use does permanent damage to women. So I disagree.
In fighting muscles are just a small piece of the pie compared to weight lifting where they are 9/10ths of the pie. Those guys are strength athletes.

As far as men becoming gorillas? Its not that drastic in fighting because being really big is not an advantage. All through out history long reigning HW champs in combat sports have all been around 200-250. The exceptions have always been quite tall. Powder lifter physiques are not ideal for fighting.


Anabolic usage can do permanent damage to both sexes.
Size is a red herring, weight classes and all...

Raycetpfl
6/02/2016 1:50pm,
Anabolic usage can do permanent damage to both sexes.
Size is a red herring, weight classes and all...
Anabolics are what give males masculine features. It is not fair to say men and women taking steroids is an apples to apples comparison.

Size is not a red herring.

NeilG
6/02/2016 2:00pm,
Since it's a weight class sport I don't think it's a big deal. There won't be an insurmountable strength diffence between natural and steroid users of the same weight. If that was the case then oly weight lifters would never juice.

ChenPengFi
6/02/2016 2:06pm,
Anabolics are what give males masculine features. It is not fair to say men and women taking steroids is an apples to apples comparison.

Size is not a red herring.


No, you're conflating endo- and exogenic sources.
You brought up damage and that applies to both sexes.

Size is a red herring because of weight classes AND because size isn't the primary attribute that PEDs confer to athletes vis a vis combat sports, or many others for that matter.
There are no speed, strength, recovery etc divisions.

Look at 'roided out cyclists for small steroid abusers.

goodlun
6/02/2016 2:42pm,
Anabolic
In fighting muscles are just a small piece of the pie compared to weight lifting where they are 9/10ths of the pie. Those guys are strength athletes.


In steroid use muscle mass is just a small piece of the pie.

You can train longer and harder on them, getting more mat time in, thus increasing skill.
You can cut weight easier, thus being bigger and stronger even in weight controlled events.
It is a REAL advantage.

Raycetpfl
6/02/2016 2:58pm,
In steroid use muscle mass is just a small piece of the pie.

You can train longer and harder on them, getting more mat time in, thus increasing skill.
You can cut weight easier, thus being bigger and stronger even in weight controlled events.
It is a REAL advantage.

Yes to everything.
But there is an advantage to being a "volume and distance fighter" as well. Thwy work to overwelm and exhaust thir opponents. Couture,The 209, Frankie Edgar and others made their careers work with a style that anabolics aren't really needed.

Steroids work and are a big advantage, but I think for men you can still compete at an elite level clean,but i don't think many have for a long time.
I don't think it's as easy for clean women to overcome the advantages steroids give women.

Raycetpfl
6/02/2016 2:59pm,
No, you're conflating endo- and exogenic sources.
You brought up damage and that applies to both sexes.

Size is a red herring because of weight classes AND because size isn't the primary attribute that PEDs confer to athletes vis a vis combat sports, or many others for that matter.
There are no speed, strength, recovery etc divisions.

Look at 'roided out cyclists for small steroid abusers.

But aren't they more blood dopers? I don't follow cycling at all.