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chaosexmachina
5/25/2016 12:54pm,
I'm no judoka, but this throw has interested me for quite a while. I then learned that the traditional way of performing the throw required grabbing the legs or gi pants. IIRC, grabbing the legs for throws is no longer allowed in IJF rules (or at least restricted.) I thought that kinda sucked and looked for ways to do it without grabbing the legs. This video shows exactly that (which is also a no gi version.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjSSoZBOiKM

So, what do you guys think? Or is my non-judo mind missing something?

BKR
5/25/2016 1:17pm,
I'm no judoka, but this throw has interested me for quite a while. I then learned that the traditional way of performing the throw required grabbing the legs or gi pants. IIRC, grabbing the legs for throws is no longer allowed in IJF rules (or at least restricted.) I thought that kinda sucked and looked for ways to do it without grabbing the legs. This video shows exactly that (which is also a no gi version.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjSSoZBOiKM

So, what do you guys think? Or is my non-judo mind missing something?

Starting at :54, IMO, not Sukui Nage...no scooping involve. He's pushing the guy over his leg. Maybe a variant of Tani Otoshi, as he's not lifting uke.

Nice technique, wouldn't worry about the name. Would be valid in judo tournament under current IJF rules as long as he does not touch below waist with his hands/arms.

The first part is from the Kodokan Nage Waza video...You can see the scooping action clearly. In the counter-throw version, it's more subtle,a nd grades into what is called "Te Guruma", where technically your hand would be a fixed point around which uke is rotated.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWdv1E9vg3o

Jim Giant
5/25/2016 1:57pm,
Do you know of a single Judoka who is genuinely happy about the rule change?

DCS
5/25/2016 2:55pm,
I'd say it is more an Aikido's Gedan-ate than a Judo's Sukui-nage.

BKR
5/25/2016 4:05pm,
Do you know of a single Judoka who is genuinely happy about the rule change?

Which one ? Or which interpretation of which rule change ?

If you are referring to leg grabbing, yeah, I've met a few who like it. No need to worry about singles and double anymore.

For myself, I think they (IJF) threw the baby out with the bath water in terms of touching hands below the waist rules.

No matter what the IJF does, people will game the rules. My students game the rules, I teach them how, because all the other coaches at higher levels do the same. Designing a set of rules that stays true to Judo AND minimizes gaming the rules is the hard part.

BKR
5/25/2016 4:06pm,
I'd say it is more an Aikido's Gedan-ate than a Judo's Sukui-nage.

What about Aikido's Sukui Nage ?

DCS
5/25/2016 4:21pm,
We had Aiki-otoshi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C03UA01N7Fs

I don't remember any Aikido waza called Sukui-nage.

BKR
5/25/2016 5:01pm,
We had Aiki-otoshi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C03UA01N7Fs

I don't remember any Aikido waza called Sukui-nage.

I pulled that out of somewhere, maybe my ass ?

Nope, apparently not...
https://books.google.com/books?id=08dX0rFfLHMC&pg=PA243&lpg=PA243&dq=aikido+sukui+nage&source=bl&ots=5Qky-X0-e8&sig=OX2DGKz85i4hTG51vBalTnPHVJM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiI3av0nPbMAhUN3GMKHUw2CIcQ6AEIWDAO#v=on epage&q=aikido%20sukui%20nage&f=false

chaosexmachina
5/25/2016 6:16pm,
It does look like gedan ate, as I've seen in Shodokan competition. I believe they use a similar movement in tai chi "moving step push hands" (parting the wild horse's mane, or something like that.) I think it's also taught in capoeira and karate (Machida used it quite a bit.)

BKR
5/25/2016 6:28pm,
It does look like gedan ate, as I've seen in Shodokan competition. I believe they use a similar movement in tai chi "moving step push hands" (parting the wild horse's mane, or something like that.) I think it's also taught in capoeira and karate (Machida used it quite a bit.)

It's the old "put your leg behind them and push them over it" trick !

daishi
5/29/2016 7:50am,
It's almost like different styles and organizations have different techniques from each other, with occasional crossover!


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Falenay
10/16/2017 6:46am,
Just wanted to add two points:

First, I agree that this is rather Tani-Otoshi with bad control than anything else.

Second, performed like that, it would still be problematic, as he has to control the legs somehow with his hands (as you can easily see in the slow motion at the end). So not really good for competition Judo.

And if you want to do a no-gi Sukui-Nage....grabbing into the knee pit behind the tendons with "hooking" forefinger plus middle finger is nasty and effective.