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TheMightyMcClaw
6/10/2014 7:31pm,
So I like me some fancy kicks. I'm lanky, I'm flexible, they work well for me.
I've made substantial progress on my spin back kick, and I'm now setting my sights on getting my spin hook kick up to a point where it's an effective part of my arsenal. It's coming along, but I'd like to crowdsource this ****.
I'm not trying to start a "how do spin hook kick" thread; this is a "how do spin hook kick RIGHT" thread. Training it, conditioning it, setting it up.
As far as set up goes, my main segue has been jab-spin hook kick, especially if the guy likes to slip. I've been having good success with jab--> left head kick, catching them moving into the kick as they slip the jab.
The jab also serves to disguise the beginning of the rotation of the kick, letting it pull your hips and shoulders forward.
I've been throwing it on the heavy bag a LOT, and that's been helping with speed. I've been doing standing back leg lifts, and that's helped build flexibility and range of motion for getting my body into spin hook kick positions.
But it's still not there. I want this weapon in my toolbox. My striking game is already pretty damn unorthodox, and adding another funky weapon that people don't see coming would help it grow.

Krijgsman
6/10/2014 11:50pm,
I watched through a bunch of youtube highlights of high level guys pulling it off and the most common setup seemed to be to jab a few times to get the hands up and in front of the face and then catch them behind the hands at the temple. Which it sounds like you are basically doing already. So... keep it up I guess?

Fuzzy
6/11/2014 3:28am,
Not sure I'm advanced enough to post in this thread, but I like to throw it off a faked lead hook, same as with a spinning backfist. Couple of jabs or a 1-2 to set up, then fake the hook and shift the lead leg, spinning hook kick.

Out of interest, do you do a full 360 spin or just 180?

searcher66071
6/13/2014 1:37am,
The spinning hook is my secondary "go to" kick in my arsenal. I have almost 100% used it off of a break after I tied up with my opponent. As we separate, I start my turn. It has been very effective for me in this format. As far as attacking with it goes, I normally do it off of a long range/slapping hook(punch here). This allows for me to start my rotation, in place of a linear strike like a jab. The big drawback here is the distancing of the technique. If you are even remotely slow or you hesitate, you will miss or get jammed.

I will say this as an add-on. I specialize in using a lead leg hook kick. I truly believe that this is what led me to my use of the spinning hook and it truly made it far better. if you want to get better, work the lead hook kick like a maniac.

Just my $0.02 worth.

TheMightyMcClaw
6/15/2014 10:12pm,
My lead hook kick is pretty good; I'm an ex-Shotokan guy, after all.
How do you set up the lead hook kick? My main combination is to feint the inside leg kick, then transition over to the hook.
Oh, and I want to try that spin kick out of the clinch break. My karate coach used to do the same thing with a spin back kick.
I've recently switched from the 360 to the 180 spin hook, at least when shadowboxing with it. I was throwing it as a 360 based on the idea of getting more follow through, but I feel like I get better body posture and balance and **** with a 180 spin hook kick.
When actually throwing it, it should ideally end up being roughly a 180, as crashing into a dude's skull will arrest the momentum of my spin.

gregaquaman
6/16/2014 3:48am,
How do you not cripple people in sparring?

TheMightyMcClaw
6/16/2014 6:32pm,
How do you not cripple people in sparring?

Control? Control. The same way I don't cripple people with punches, knees, round kicks, flying headbutts, or any other technique.

TheMightyMcClaw
6/19/2014 9:22pm,
So I went down to Xtreme Couture last night to do some training, and through a fair chunk of spin hook kicks.
I'm still not landing them cleanly, but I have found something: feet flying at your head make people BACK THE **** UP. Every time I'd swing and miss with a spin hook kick, I'd find my opponent backpedaling hard, and it'd be easy to move them into a corner.
Also, since they usually bring their hands up high as they back up, I was able to land a left body kick (which we all know is the deadliest of the body kicks) super clean after coming down from the spin hook kick. Because I still had the momentum from the spin hook kick, it landed nice and hard, too.
So yeah man. Spin hook kick --> left body kick --> back into a corner. It works, bro.

dwkfym
6/24/2014 6:12pm,
This thread is incomplete without a Korean commenting on it.

You know those TKD kick pads? They are actually awesome for training spinning back kicks. There are two variations; one with locked leg with the back heel to drive maximum mass into the target, and another where you snap your leg to maximize velocity. I like the latter myself; it can go around loose guards and stuff, and it is a bit harder to see coming.

Either way, those kick pads work well.

TheMightyMcClaw
6/25/2014 10:45pm,
Did some work with the spinning hook kick on the pads tonight, which is a huge improvement over working it on the heavy bag.
The spin hook kick --> left body kick works out well on the pads. I also did a bunch of high round kick --> spin hook kick, which is probably less of an I'll Actually Use This combination, and more of a conditioning drill for high kicking. I've used it a lot in shadow boxing, and it really helps with getting the hang of moving with your legs way up in the air. I highly recommend it.

searcher66071
6/30/2014 3:05pm,
How do you not cripple people in sparring?

Control is a pretty big part of it, but I tend to throw mine with the flat of the foot while sparring. It is still pretty rough on your sparring partners, but exponentially better than the heal making contact. I spent several years working it against a bag and the air prior to using it while sparring. It sucked to work it so much and not use it right away, but it payed off in the long run.



McClaw:
As far as set-up for the lead leg goes, I use jabs and "gimpy" backfists to get my hips into position, after working my opponent towards a corner. It makes it higher percentage, but it is still not super high. I have also used it directly after a clinch, but this faded once my spinning hook and axe kick came along. More often than not, the lead hood should be used as a defensive kick, IMO. If you have the speed and flexibility to work it that way. It works well in a knockdown karate situation. Kickboxing, less so, as opponents tend to have lazy hands in KD tourneys.

Piff
11/12/2014 9:01pm,
I have a ridiculously hard time with this kick since returning to tkd but I feel its mostly flexibility issues

RealFolkBlues
12/20/2014 1:28pm,
Hey guys, haven't posted on here in a while, but I love the spinning hook kick (yeah, Korean style, you know how we do,) so I felt like I could give some tips.

As for the question of 360 or 180 degree turn, I think of this kick as almost a hybrid of the two, though both are viable. The way I teach it to junior belts is to turn around, lean back to fire the kick, and then use its momentum for your follow-through for the full spin. That way you end up using a full spin and get the associated power, but most of your action is used to simply turn yourself the 180 and kick. The 180 and then stop is a great way to switch up your stance, as you've probably already seen. Fun way to throw people off.

For set-ups, the jab->spin hook is definitely a mainstay, but there's some other solid ones that I enjoy. One of my faves is actually off of a low round kick from either foot, though usually the back. If you fire a low round from your back leg to your partner's inner thigh and then follow with a spinning hook from the other leg, the first kick discreetly puts your foot into position for the spin, threatens low which tends to open up mid or high targets of course, and gives you two steps of variable length to push your partner around. It's a good way to back them into the corner/wall.

Another set-up I like is to simply throw out any of these combos while circling. A big one is to circle in the same direction as the leg you have back (so right if your right leg is back natch,) throw out a jab or two to disguise the start of the spin as you step across, and then throw the kick. This is a great time to use the full 360 spin, too, because you can make a fairly large step to start up your momentum.

Where's your target for this kick? Head kicks are great here, of course, but I'm actually a pretty big fan of throwing this at the big bones in the arm or leg. Nobody sees this coming for their legs and a heel right in the split between quad and hamstring is nasty. Usually it's a dead leg. Putting it in the shoulder isn't a lot of fun for your partner either. Control is key, natch.

That follow with the body kick is pretty great, yeah. What kick do you usually fire? Front? They're all good. One cool thing I've found is that like you say, people generally get the hell out of the way when you fire the spinning hook kick, and that can set you up for some of the bigger kicks you don't always get to throw with pressure. Stepping/skipping side kicks are fun, as are back kicks, whether spinning or not.

Question for you guys: how do you approach partners who try to rush into the kick and crowd you, either before or immediately after? This is one of my favorite tactics to apply against spinning kicks, and when it gets done to me, I generally just start swinging hand techniques to variable effect. Because I dislike this lack of control so much I've actually cut down on my spinning kicks a bit.

RealFolkBlues
12/24/2014 4:24pm,
So I'll chip in, here, being another Korean art practitioner. We like our kicks, as you may have heard.

For conditioning, I would suggest working on the obliques and hamstrings. It sounds like you're already doing some good stuff, especially as you seem to be throwing the kick itself a lot, but I would definitely concentrate on those areas if you're planning on doing some technique-specific workouts. Oblique jackknives are fantastic, as are woodchoppers, and good old leg curls work well for the hamstring, natch. Flexibility-wise I would recommend side lunges.

As to 180 or 360 degree spins, I think of it almost as a hybrid. The way I teach it to junior belts is to rapidly turn 180 degrees, lean over and fire the kick, and then use the momentum of the leg snap to finish the spin. That way you get the full power of a big spin with the better balance and less work of the smaller spin. Personally I also like having the same stance before and after the kick, though the 180 is pretty great for switching your stance if you want to do that.

Setup-wise, the jab->spin hook is definitely the mainstay, but I'm also a big fan of this kick after a low kick from either leg, though primarily the back leg. That is most definitely a great way to get somebody to back the hell up, too, so works wonders for pushing someone up against the wall or corner. This kick is also great when circling, cuz you can disguise the setup with a step, especially when you combine it with a punch.

I like that body kick afterwards. What kick are you using mainly? Front? Round? I find another nice thing about this kick is because of the distance that it usually creates, you can fire some of the bigger motions off, like step behind/skipping side kick or spinning back kick.

I love to rush up and crowd people who fire spinning kicks in the (generally successful) attempt to take their back. What do you guys do to counter this?