Originally posted by Kungfoolss
A coward knows only fear as I see it and allows it to dominate his life. Besides, a knife is merely the extension of a hand. If you can't deal with a knife, chances are you're just as incompetent dealing with an attacker who's empty-handed.

This is, without a doubt, the most stupid post I have ever read.

It's not far off for me either.

For another, see my sig.

Originally posted by Rigante
What we are talking about here is similiar to the effects that BJJ had on martial arts 20 years ago (unless you were in Brazil) If somebody had said that an effective grappling strategy was to go down to the ground with an opponent with you on your back and your legs wrapped around his toros you would say he was nuts.

Similiar the old concepts of hand to knife fighting have been upgraded and improved. They work in practice and they work in reality. You can stick with the older less effective techniques. That is your choice, just like you could choose to train for MMA competition and decide not to learn to use the guard or learn how to counter it.

People and cultures evolve and so do techniques and principles in the martial arts. Its good to be appropriately critical and test new concepts. It is stupid to be close minded and not consider or try new concepts that may be a significant improvement. This is the negative side of Bullshido, being so rigid and closed to change that you throw out the good with the bad.

While I agree in principle to what you say,I am courious about these "new" or "upgraded" techniques you refer to...

The bottom line is this, to run from a knife fight is smart, if you have loved ones with you, you have to do what you have to do. Everyone knows that. Fighting someone with a knife is more than likely gonna get you cut. How bad is up to you. But if you do fight, you should know what your doing. And UNTIL you spar with someone with a training knife, you have no freaking idea what its like. NO IDEA!!!! Knife defense is one of the most talked about things in MA that people have no idea about. And such misjudgment will likely be fatal. Good Luck.

I really dont think people in martial arts take knife or rather weopon defense serious enough. Theres alot more hype about BJJ, Boxing and MT than there is with knife defense.

first of all awarness of your suroundings.
second dont let a situation esculate if you can help it
third run
last is self defense if there is no escape (better use another weopon like a stick than just bare hands) bear hands being the only last resort.

Originally posted by Rigante


Similiar the old concepts of hand to knife fighting have been upgraded and improved. They work in practice and they work in reality. You can stick with the older less effective techniques. That is your choice, just like you could choose to train for MMA competition and decide not to learn to use the guard or learn how to counter it.

People and cultures evolve and so do techniques and principles in the martial arts. Its good to be appropriately critical and test new concepts. It is stupid to be close minded and not consider or try new concepts that may be a significant improvement. This is the negative side of Bullshido, being so rigid and closed to change that you throw out the good with the bad.
I'm with Ronnin here. Advancement is good but what has been presented that is trully new (but still remain effective?).

Anyone who knows anything about knife self defense will not go in the inside. Due to the flexibilty of rotation of the wrist you will get killed for that.
The outside is far safer.

Anyone who knows anything about knife self defense will not go in the inside. Due to the flexibilty of rotation of the wrist you will get killed for that.
The outside is far safer.

Originally posted by Muqatil
What if? What if?? Sigh. Fun game. .

Aactually covering as many scenarios as possible makes one better prepared. Of course always be prepare for the least expected.

The 5 Ps

Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance

Originally posted by Guerrero
I know of systems that advocate taking out the knife weilding attacker as opposed to disarming, but this is done while controlling the knife weilding arm. ...
Oh NO! The secret ninja move!:eek:


:D

Originally posted by Escrima9
"From what I have experienced the Kris is to IMA what the stick/cane is to FMA. I'll see if I can find any info online to point you towards.



The kriss is treated more as an ornimental weopon in Indonesian martial arts. In Filipino arts its purpose is more as a fighting weopon. The tang of the Indonesian kriss is inherently weak and is not pin to the handle. The Filipino kriss tang is much broader and is pinned into the handle (more or less). It is more of a fighting weopon.

Originally posted by Angry_Spastic
What's wrong with grabbing and attempting to incapacitate the knife arm?
Too many counter moves. It will work in some instances but it is still very risky.

Originally posted by 5FingazofDeath
The problem is that by the time you are able to reach the knife your probably gonna get sliced up. Closing the distance is one of the major things in weapons fighting and at boxing range if you can touch him with your hand - he can touch you as well, only he has the knife.

DANGEROUS! Never chase a knife or limb. He can counter and grab or deflect your hand and stab you in the gut. It will leave one of your gates completely open.

Originally posted by Escrima9
Which means his technique failed, right? I don't see how this proves what he did would actually work, in fact it proves it doesn't to some degree.


Thank you. Yes, that's absolutely right. His much vaunted martial arts training failed him completely. I'm glad we're in agreement here. Hell, that's what I've been saying on the net for years now. Martial arts will get you killed.



I prefer to think of it as 'strategic retreat' :D

That's actually what my partner did, backpedaled as the threat came at him. Lot of good it did him in that instance.

Originally posted by SLJ
Fools, maybe my post was ignorant as I wasn't at your "Training session", but as someone has already said, if your partner manged to catch your arm and apply a lock with you attacking him fully commited (and I doubt that you did), it says more about your attack.


Hmmm, actually I did, my partners the one that took it easy on me.

Another thing, we almost never apply a "lock/break" when the body dynamics are in motion and the guy is still standing, that's sort of dangerous and apt to make a bad situation worse, especially, if you lose the advantage of leverage. It's best to apply the lock once you've got the attacker down, it's an added advantage if you've contorted his body in the process of the takedown.

Originally posted by johnbo
This is, without a doubt, the most stupid post I have ever read.


To an amateur, I understand how this truth would confuse you.