how tall are you kungfucolin?

Manchuria: 176 Cm, Last time I checked. I'm pretty chunky.

yup, stocky wee lad :)

It's not all bad. I get outranged like a bitch in striking, but when grappling, It's a bit easier to use core strength.

definately, a solid build can be turned to your advantage a lot

Haha.. Another thing: My skeleton is a thick and heavy beyotch. I can wear alot of hits without being knocked around too much.

Then thegbb if you lack the skills I suggest you run. Its a reasonable option but what if you are in an elevator or out friend or wife or kids cant run as fast. Are you going to leave them behind? If you want to stay close minded its your choice. I am just informing you that there are other options than your fatalistic ones. I truly hope you never have to face a blade.

On a side note:
I do believe that eventially in your training, you must face a LIVE blade, in the "safest" possible conditions of course, but just the visual threat of the "real deal", does change things in the old noggin.

Originally posted by Rigante
Then thegbb if you lack the skills I suggest you run. Its a reasonable option but what if you are in an elevator or out friend or wife or kids cant run as fast. Are you going to leave them behind? If you want to stay close minded its your choice. I am just informing you that there are other options than your fatalistic ones. I truly hope you never have to face a blade.

First of all, who said anything about not trying? I said that the only RELIABLE and EFFECTIVE defense against a knife is running. If I can't run, I'm sure I'll try something. In many cases, though, the thing that I might try is surrender.

Secondly, you didn't answer my question: How would you defend against a knife attacker that is trying to take you to the ground? I don't mean trying to stab at you from the front or from overhead, but rather shooting in on you like a wrestler and using the knife as a hook on the back of your legs? What "effective technique" do you use against that?

Originally posted by thebgbb


Secondly, you didn't answer my question: How would you defend against a knife attacker that is trying to take you to the ground? I don't mean trying to stab at you from the front or from overhead, but rather shooting in on you like a wrestler and using the knife as a hook on the back of your legs? What "effective technique" do you use against that?

I hope you are not serious. Why, why, WHY ON GODS GREEN EARTH would ANYONE try a takedown when they have a knife??????!!!!! Are you a imbecile? Or do you love asking stupid questions????? I think the game plan would be: take sharp pointy end of knife, and insert into person who is not you. You had to be joking, right? Please tell me you were.

a potential knife attack is one of the reasons why I entertain using/affecting a cane/walking stick.

A guy at my gym said "Always wear a belt". Whip that off and clock the attacker in the head with the buckle...Good way to maintain distance.

Originally posted by 5FingazofDeath
I hope you are not serious. Why, why, WHY ON GODS GREEN EARTH would ANYONE try a takedown when they have a knife??????!!!!! Are you a imbecile? Or do you love asking stupid questions????? I think the game plan would be: take sharp pointy end of knife, and insert into person who is not you. You had to be joking, right? Please tell me you were.

Absolutely not. You put yourself in no worse of a position by grappling with them. It isn't hard from there to cut whatever part is closest to you.

The funny thing about this post is that you think that it is a bad idea without supplying a reason as to WHY it is a bad idea. It reminds me of the old days when people would say "That grappling crap is stupid. I would never let then do that to me. If they tried it, I'd just kick them in the head."

If you feint an overhead attack with the knife and then shoot in with a takedown, you WILL be able to cut their hamstrings by hooking the knife. It's just like if you grabbed the legs, but you use the knife as a hook instead of your hand. Now your opponent can't run away and can't chase you if you decide that you want to run or even WALK away.

How would you defend against it. Sprawl? You'll get a knife to the gut. Put them in your guard? You'd get cut every which way but loose. Knee or kick them in the face? How many people have said the same thing against a grappler and found out that its not that simple. Give the secret ninja death strike? This I don't know about; it might work. ;)

But to answer your question, which was "Why would you go for the takedown if you have the knife?" Simple: Because I am a pretty good grappler, and the knife would only make things easier. Also, because a lot of people know (or think they know) what to do against a regular stabbing or slashing based knife attack. How many people have faced a knife attack from someone who is actively trying to take them to the ground?

Which brings me back to my point: The only RELIABLE technique against the knife can be learned from watching old Jesse Owens and Ben Johnson video tapes.

Originally posted by thebgbb
Pray tell: If they are trying to take you to the ground, what are you going to do to stop them? Remember, most "anti-grappling" techniques will not work if they are using a knife.


Let me ask you this. Were any of these instructors skilled in wrestling or BJJ? Of course the safest option is still running.

And where the hell did I suggest shooting in and trying to take down a knife fighter? You better go back and reread the posts. And where did I talk about doing secret anti-grappling technqiues. Whatever you are smoking must be good stuff.

O.k. alright sure if someone did take another one down and the takedowner has a knife, yes he would be very advantages in that position. But I dont think people would think like that. When people have a knife they want to cut you, and believe me it is very easy to do. If the person with the knife is able to take down the other person, he is also able to slash you across the stomach and spill your guts out anyway. Why would they try to take you down? Its not efficeint. Im a experienced kickboxer, knife fighter, and bjj practitioner. Believe me, with a knife you can cut someone six ways from Sunday with the same energy (even less) then it would take to try a takedown with a knife in your hands. Not to mention that trying that **** offers the chance for the knife to slip, fall, or get taken away from you.

For real. Think about it before you speak..........takedown with a knife.....yeah, thats a good idea!