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battlebalm
2/19/2013 2:28am,
Hey guys, I'm new on this forum. I'm the owner of Battle Balm™, a new training balm specifically designed for contact sports. I'm guessing that a good portion of you are using some sort of topical liniment, gel, or cream to assist with swelling, bruising, etc. of normal fight training.

How about trying something superior? Battle Balm™ is our signature product. It's a herbal balm steeped in ancient Chinese medicine and consists of 20 organic and natural plant ingredients.

The difference between us and the rest of the topical analgesics out there? Plenty.

Here's a few:
No parabens.
No paraffins.
No artificial fillers.
No alcohols or other skin drying/hydration altering substances.
No animal testing. (Unless you consider yourself one!)
We are anti-fungal.
We are anti-bacterial.
We are anti-microbial.

We use only organic and natural ingredients. Every batch of Battle Balm™ takes more than 30 days to 'soak' for additional potency.

If you want to compare us to some of the other guys, here are some of our key ingredients:

Menthol - 8%
Camphor - 5%
Cajeput - 5%
Wintergreen (Methyl Salicyate) 5%

Then there are the 16 other pain relieving, skin and wound healing herbs. Battle Balm™ is formulated to be used on mild to moderate aches, abrasions, body pains, tendon sprains, muscle strains, bruises, contusions, swelling, and closed fractures. The anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, and anti-microbial properties of Battle Balm™ are built-in to help you avoid minor infections from gym germs like athlete’s foot and more. Battle Balm™ is not intended for use on open wounds.

We wish to earn your business and show you that our Battle Balm™ is the best. We offer a 100% money back, no questions asked, risk-free guarantee.

Care to put us to the test? We're ready to do battle...Prices below.

Round 2 oz. tin (middle pic) - $19.95 + S&H
Rectangular slide SAMPLE SIZE 0.25 oz. tin (bottom pic) - $2.49 + Free Shipping

PM me or visit us online.

battlefields
2/19/2013 5:54am,
Where are you based?

Diesel_tke
2/19/2013 9:22am,
How far does 2oz go? I use a **** load of "cool n heat" (generic icey hot). It is 16% menthol. And works pretty good, but I could be talked into switching up. But 20 bucks is pretty steep for 2oz, depending on how far it goes. I'm guessing you stick your fingers in there, rub them around and then apply?

battlebalm
2/19/2013 11:47am,
Where are you based?

We are based in San Diego, California.

battlebalm
2/19/2013 12:00pm,
How far does 2oz go? I use a **** load of "cool n heat" (generic icey hot). It is 16% menthol. And works pretty good, but I could be talked into switching up. But 20 bucks is pretty steep for 2oz, depending on how far it goes. I'm guessing you stick your fingers in there, rub them around and then apply?

2oz goes a long way. Of course, it depends on how much you wish to slather on. If you compare us to the other guys, you'll see that it's actually cheaper than 2oz worth of a lot of other brands. Plus, we are all plant derived ingredients. No chemicals, additives, or fillers.

Since Battle Balm is a balm, you don't have to apply too much. I've been using the same 2oz container on myself now for about 3 months now and I've still got plenty left.

So, the "cool n heat" that you use contains 16% menthol. Our product contains 8% menthol. You may not feel the same amount of sensation in Battle Balm as you do in your "cool n heat". Our Battle Balm contains other herbs that assist in healing and bruise reduction, etc. So, we're not exactly comparing apples to apples. If menthol is the only thing that works for you, then the "cool n heat" may be the right solution for your body. We offer a more balanced herbal analgesic based on traditional Chinese dit da jow medicine of the past. (I hope that helps a bit.)

Yes, you rub your fingers into the balm to soften it up and then apply a little at a time to your skin. You can use a heat pad or a cold pack as well, if you wish.

Our website has more about who we are and what we do! Let me know if you have other questions, and I'll be happy to answer them!

If you've got specific problems that you are working on, let us know. I am the owner of BB and I see a lot of pain patients (both acute and chronic) in my acupuncture clinic. We may be able to guide you to a solution.

battlebalm
2/19/2013 12:05pm,
You could always order a sample size (0.25oz) and see if it helps. That way, you're only out $2.49, rather than $19.95. We sell the sample size for specifically that purpose.

Remember, a product with more burn is not always more better! Good luck and let us know if you have more questions!

Permalost
2/19/2013 12:53pm,
-how does Battle Balm compare to dit da jow?

-could I buy some locally in San Diego?

Diesel_tke
2/19/2013 12:54pm,
Would you recomend using it for iron palm stuff as well, or stuff like it? I will go ahead and order some. I like using the cool n heat but only because I haven't found anything that is exactly what I'm looking for. I do a lot of stick fighting and my hands are sore a little the next day, as well as general muscle soreness.

We do some body hardening stuff on our forearms, and I use it on there as well, just speed up the healing process.

battlebalm
2/20/2013 12:03am,
-how does Battle Balm compare to dit da jow?

-could I buy some locally in San Diego?

Permalost, we don't have a storefront at the moment. We're working with 858 Fight Shop to have them carry our Battle Balm, but we are in the initial stages of communication. We're also beginning to get some of the local training gyms to carry the product as well. If you wish to wait, we foresee you being able to pick up Battle Balm at a local shop. It may be anywhere from weeks to months in getting contracts signed etc. If you want to try our product sooner rather than later, you can still visit our website and place an order.

As to your question, Battle Balm contains many of the dit da jow herbs used in traditional Chinese medicine. We combine the traditional way of extracting the highest quality herbal constituents with modern techniques with the goal of bringing you a more powerful plant-based formulation.

So, yes Battle Balm is similar to a dit da jow in that similar ingredients are used. A key difference, though, is that many dit da jow formulas use alcohol as the extraction technique and the carrier for topical application.

Alcohol does a couple of things. 1) It has a cooling effect due to the evaporation of the alcohol on the skin. 2) It has a drying effect as it combines with moisture from the skin and removes water when it evaporates as well.

These two things are great and they have their applications. The carriers that we use in Battle Balm are jojoba oil and beeswax. These two ingredients are warmer (in traditional Chinese medicine speak) in nature than alcohol. Also, the jojoba and beeswax provide excellent moisture control and let your skin breathe at the same time, one of the most important things required for any topical liniment, gel, balm, etc..

I hope that answers your question.

battlebalm
2/20/2013 12:48am,
Would you recomend using it for iron palm stuff as well, or stuff like it? I will go ahead and order some. I like using the cool n heat but only because I haven't found anything that is exactly what I'm looking for. I do a lot of stick fighting and my hands are sore a little the next day, as well as general muscle soreness.

We do some body hardening stuff on our forearms, and I use it on there as well, just speed up the healing process.

Diesel, we do recommend Battle Balm for iron palm training. Our formula contains traditional Chinese herbs used in bone healing dit da jows. Also, our combination of herbs improve circulation, open up the channels and strengthens the sinews. These are important aspects of iron palm. Battle Balm is also a slightly warming formula, which are good for preparing the joints for heavy work.

Of course, there are many different ideas about what constitutes a good iron palm formula. Ask a bunch of different herbalists and you're bound to find just as many answers. We believe that Battle Balm is an excellent adjunct to iron palm training.

Will Battle Balm work for your iron palm training? Maybe. Maybe not. There are many outside factors. Here's one. The climate of your training location can play a huge part in the type of formulation you need. Suppose you train in Siberia because you want to be like Rocky Balboa in Rocky IV. You never wear gloves in the winter time and you shovel snow with your fingers. Then Battle Balm could help you with your iron palm training, but it may not be enough. You'll probably also need a "hotter" formula to offset the continuous cold you put your fingers through when you are not iron palm training. Does that make sense?

Of course, that's an extreme example. But, it's true that the way you treat your hands outside of the gym will also affect your training inside the gym. In most cases, Battle Balm is great for iron palm training and will help you through the bumps, bruises, strains, sprains, and even hairline fractures. It will also keep your hands and skin in great shape from the scuffs and scratches you get along the way.

For all iron palm training, we suggest some daily qi gong exercises for stretching the tendons to help move the qi and blood. That's just how we roll.

BTW, I sent you an extra sample. You can give one to a friend or just keep it for yourself. Enjoy!

Diesel_tke
2/20/2013 10:31am,
Diesel, we do recommend Battle Balm for iron palm training. Our formula contains traditional Chinese herbs used in bone healing dit da jows. Also, our combination of herbs improve circulation, open up the channels and strengthens the sinews. These are important aspects of iron palm. Battle Balm is also a slightly warming formula, which are good for preparing the joints for heavy work.

Of course, there are many different ideas about what constitutes a good iron palm formula. Ask a bunch of different herbalists and you're bound to find just as many answers. We believe that Battle Balm is an excellent adjunct to iron palm training.

Will Battle Balm work for your iron palm training? Maybe. Maybe not. There are many outside factors. Here's one. The climate of your training location can play a huge part in the type of formulation you need. Suppose you train in Siberia because you want to be like Rocky Balboa in Rocky IV. You never wear gloves in the winter time and you shovel snow with your fingers. Then Battle Balm could help you with your iron palm training, but it may not be enough. You'll probably also need a "hotter" formula to offset the continuous cold you put your fingers through when you are not iron palm training. Does that make sense?

Of course, that's an extreme example. But, it's true that the way you treat your hands outside of the gym will also affect your training inside the gym. In most cases, Battle Balm is great for iron palm training and will help you through the bumps, bruises, strains, sprains, and even hairline fractures. It will also keep your hands and skin in great shape from the scuffs and scratches you get along the way.

For all iron palm training, we suggest some daily qi gong exercises for stretching the tendons to help move the qi and blood. That's just how we roll.

BTW, I sent you an extra sample. You can give one to a friend or just keep it for yourself. Enjoy!

Awesome! Sounds great. I look forward to putting it to use. Thanks again.

Ming Loyalist
2/20/2013 1:00pm,
is your dit da jow recipe secret? i have used different recipes of jow in the past and currently use one that is publicly known (tom bisio's recipe.) many other recipes use herbs that are only for external use and can be dangerous if taken internally (this means i have to wash my hands thoroughly after using them, and if i have any cuts or scratches in my skin, i have to avoid them.)

does your formula use such herbs?

i currently use both my own jow, and a balm that i brought back from thailand that is very strong and similar to icy hot in effect (x10 at least.) i use them in different situations, with the job being primarily for bruises, and the balm for more muscle aches and issues with flexibility.

can your balm replace both my current remedies?

Ice Hole
2/20/2013 2:41pm,
The man behind the product has quite an interesting history...digital logic, TCM, and battle balm.

/subscribed.


Current

Owner at Battle Balm
Owner at August Point Wellness

Past

Acupuncturist at The Santaluz Club
Member - Board of Directors at California State Oriental Medical Association
Acupuncturist/Massage Therapist at Bernardo West Chiropractic

Co-Editor - Massage Therapy Section at All Things Healing
Hardware Engineer (Contractor) at Nextivity Inc.
Massage Therapist (Part-time) at Back On Track Family Chiropractic
Hardware Engineer at Altera
Digital Hardware Engineer at Solectek
Hardware Engineer (Contractor) at JNI Corporation

Education

Pacific College of Oriental Medicine
Pacific College of Oriental Medicine
University of Florida


http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dylan-jawahir/6/374/a30

battlebalm
2/20/2013 5:20pm,
is your dit da jow recipe secret? i have used different recipes of jow in the past and currently use one that is publicly known (tom bisio's recipe.) many other recipes use herbs that are only for external use and can be dangerous if taken internally (this means i have to wash my hands thoroughly after using them, and if i have any cuts or scratches in my skin, i have to avoid them.)

does your formula use such herbs?

i currently use both my own jow, and a balm that i brought back from thailand that is very strong and similar to icy hot in effect (x10 at least.) i use them in different situations, with the job being primarily for bruises, and the balm for more muscle aches and issues with flexibility.

can your balm replace both my current remedies?

Ming Loyalist, you can view the ingredients list on the www.battlebalm.com website. Every herb that we use is included there. The secrets are in the quality of the herbs used plus the method of extraction. (We can't tell you these secrets, only that we use both ancient extraction and modern extraction techniques.)

Some of the herbs we use can be toxic if ingested in large doses. Our balm is not edible. If you are using Battle Balm on your hands, you should give it 20-30 minutes to absorb into the skin. Then you can wash the residue off so you can grab a sandwich or rub your eye or something.

All I can say is for you to give Battle Balm a try. Yes, it can take the place of both of your other jows. Battle Balm is to be used for muscle aches and bruises. It can be used for flexibility issues by warming up the joints and muscles to increase elasticity. If there is a mechanical hindrance such as bone spur or joint deformation that keeps you from moving the joint through its full range of motion, then Battle Balm cannot overcome that to improve your flexibility.

Also, Battle Balm will help keep your cuts and scratches clean and free from infection so that your skin can recover quickly.

By chance, are you using the Thailand herbal formula called Namman Muay?

battlebalm
2/20/2013 5:26pm,
The man behind the product has quite an interesting history...digital logic, TCM, and battle balm.

/subscribed.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dylan-jawahir/6/374/a30

Yes, I've got a pretty interesting background.

Engineering taught me how to solve problems.
Massage Therapy taught me how to manipulate the physical body.
Acupuncture taught me how to understand the energetic body.
Herbology taught me how to fuel the human body.

Thanks W. Rabbit...You can google just about anything these days!

Ming Loyalist
2/20/2013 9:33pm,
Ming Loyalist, you can view the ingredients list on the www.battlebalm.com website. Every herb that we use is included there. The secrets are in the quality of the herbs used plus the method of extraction. (We can't tell you these secrets, only that we use both ancient extraction and modern extraction techniques.)

Some of the herbs we use can be toxic if ingested in large doses. Our balm is not edible. If you are using Battle Balm on your hands, you should give it 20-30 minutes to absorb into the skin. Then you can wash the residue off so you can grab a sandwich or rub your eye or something.

All I can say is for you to give Battle Balm a try. Yes, it can take the place of both of your other jows. Battle Balm is to be used for muscle aches and bruises. It can be used for flexibility issues by warming up the joints and muscles to increase elasticity. If there is a mechanical hindrance such as bone spur or joint deformation that keeps you from moving the joint through its full range of motion, then Battle Balm cannot overcome that to improve your flexibility.

Also, Battle Balm will help keep your cuts and scratches clean and free from infection so that your skin can recover quickly.

By chance, are you using the Thailand herbal formula called Namman Muay?

thanks for the quick reply, i'll check it out. this is the thai stuff i use (i'm a stupid illiterate farang man, so i can't tell you the name) which i no longer have a source for unfortunately. my dangerous russian kickboxer friend wants more of it and i can't get more, but you just don't say "niet" to this guy, so i'm in trouble. :P

http://a.yfrog.com/img401/9803/thaibalm.jpg