I repeat my offer to come to my home and train... Why? It will not stop Shaolin-Do from being made up. I have no desire to train in ninjutsu either.

otherwise shut the hell up.Hahah or what? You'll wait three years and tell everyone to train harder posting under a new account? LOL..


So no hiding here, pal. I've also told you my real name and address, so...
I created a new name because it was easier than remembering the old.
You should go back and read all of our past conversations....you are the one lacking in experience and training my friend.I don't need to. It will be the same conversation. You are butthurt, you argue, you want me to come to your house and somehow that will change the perception of Shaolin-Do. The difference now is that there is a documented ADMISSION that the art is made up.


you are the one lacking in experience and training my friend. Yes, and my "lacking in experience" somehow magically negates the document. He made up the art and swore to it under oath.

after all that I say this WHO CARES, Who cares what he made up and what he didn't, who cares if and when he changed the name. who cares if Ie was his grandfather or not.
It really shouldn't shock you that a lot of people care about the history of a tradition they're continuing.

It really shouldn't shock you that a lot of people care about the history of a tradition they're continuing.If you go read the old threads you'll see people staunchly defending the history, traditions, stories, and lineage of Shaolin-Do. Now, when an actual legal document appears, it suddenly doesn't matter.

No one said GM Sin made up the art...he took basic movements and arranged them for fundamental training....totally different than your statements. We've had this talk before...you trained with the Soards, (hence the source of your ignorance and discontent. Understandable.)
You went to Lexington, met some of my students from my old school in Ohio, the Cook brothers...who took you to lunch, afterwards you admitted to vast differences in your perceptions based upon the chasm of difference between CSC and Lexington Shaolin Do. Any of this ring a bell????
Again, it wasn't a big enough deal for me to look up my old account info...does that mean I'm hiding/lurking? Hell no...I told you and anyone reading who I am.
You call Dr Hatsumi laughable? Now that is funny...ever met him ? Ever been tossed like a rag doll by him??? No? Didn't think so...I have.
Jeet Kune Do, Wing Chun, Karate, Jiu-Jitsu, etc...all created, modified, expounded upon by their Teachers / Grandmasters, whatever.
I have also trained with Bill Wallace, Joe Louis, Dan Inosanto...and others. Are they funny to you as well? In fact, I will be attending a seminar by Wallace/Louis in August in Arbingdon Va. I invite you to meet me there. I would be happy to demonstrate my Shaolin Do with you

GM Sin told us he had put together many of the lower belt material from other forms. This was common knowledge back in the 60's and 70's. Where do you think he got the moves? Fundamentals are pretty much identical no matter what style you practice. After studying several other styles, it is my opinion that the Shaolin Do lower belt curriculum, (when done properly), is better than most based upon the extensive use of combination techniques.
No matter the style or nationality, a side kick is a side kick...etc., etc.

No one said GM Sin made up the art...he took basic movements and arranged them for fundamental training....totally different than your statements. We've had this talk before...you trained with the Soards, (hence the source of your ignorance and discontent. Understandable.)
You went to Lexington, met some of my students from my old school in Ohio, the Cook brothers...who took you to lunch, afterwards you admitted to vast differences in your perceptions based upon the chasm of difference between CSC and Lexington Shaolin Do. Any of this ring a bell????
Again, it wasn't a big enough deal for me to look up my old account info...does that mean I'm hiding/lurking? Hell no...I told you and anyone reading who I am.
You call Dr Hatsumi laughable? Now that is funny...ever met him ? Ever been tossed like a rag doll by him??? No? Didn't think so...I have.
Jeet Kune Do, Wing Chun, Karate, Jiu-Jitsu, etc...all created, modified, expounded upon by their Teachers / Grandmasters, whatever.
I have also trained with Bill Wallace, Joe Louis, Dan Inosanto...and others. Are they funny to you as well? In fact, I will be attending a seminar by Wallace/Louis in August in Arbingdon Va. I invite you to meet me there. I would be happy to demonstrate my Shaolin Do with youNice summary, with the irony of twisting words and arguing semantics, and what does that have to do with this document? Nothing. Show me your amalgam? Will it prove that he didn't make up the art and many of the forms? No? Then it means nothing.

GM Sin told us he had put together many of the lower belt material from other forms. This was common knowledge back in the 60's and 70's. Where do you think he got the moves? Fundamentals are pretty much identical no matter what style you practice. After studying several other styles, it is my opinion that the Shaolin Do lower belt curriculum, (when done properly), is better than most based upon the extensive use of combination techniques.
No matter the style or nationality, a side kick is a side kick...etc., etc. Yes, and what does this have to do with the document and his admissions? Nothing.

Oh and nice name drops there that have nothing to do with Sin The and Hatsumi. I am laughing at your appeal to authority using another person with a questionable background.

Edit:
Thread that he summarized above.
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27115

I responded to all of your personal attacks. I've repeatedly invited you several times to back up your mouth with your skills, and I've told you the document states GM Sin created the short kata, 1-30, the 20 sparring techniques, and some basic longer forms. This is common knowledge, and means nothing. You take that, try to discredit GM Sin, his art, his students...not to mention Dr Hatsumi, and myself.
I've reminded you of conversations we've had, admissions you've made, people you've met and food you've partaken of provided you by the very people you disrespect.
Because of your blatant disrespect, I invite you, again...to please meet me. I will beat you until you are black and blue, using Shaolin Do, not even getting into my Ninjutsu, (although youve also shown amazing disrespect for as well), and afterwards, I will buy you a beer and send you on your way. I will demonstrate louder than words, that there are many many serious and extremely skilled Shaolin Do practitioners...and once more show you personally the difference between the CSC and Lexington. You are offensive and disrespectful, you whine like a brat and act brave. Be a man and let's dance!

Name dropping? You really do sound like an idiot! I have told you... Meet me there. Bill and Joe and a couple others are putting on a nice seminar. Hell, you might learn something.
Dr Hatsumi is also an incredible martial artist and fantastic human being...while you however, are less than a pimple on his or GM Sin's ass.
You really should train and develop into a real martial artist, and not a wannabe, punk.
Kinda brings me back to my original point. I teach 5 days a week and have over 600 students.
I would love to meet with you and give you an attitudinal adjustment.

I responded to all of your personal attacks. I've repeatedly invited you several times to back up your mouth with your skills, and I've told you the document states GM Sin created the short kata, 1-30, the 20 sparring techniques, and some basic longer forms. This is common knowledge, and means nothing. You take that, try to discredit GM Sin, his art, his students...not to mention Dr Hatsumi, and myself.
I've reminded you of conversations we've had, admissions you've made, people you've met and food you've partaken of provided you by the very people you disrespect.
Because of your blatant disrespect, I invite you, again...to please meet me. I will beat you until you are black and blue, using Shaolin Do, not even getting into my Ninjutsu, (although youve also shown amazing disrespect for as well), and afterwards, I will buy you a beer and send you on your way. I will demonstrate louder than words, that there are many many serious and extremely skilled Shaolin Do practitioners...and once more show you personally the difference between the CSC and Lexington. You are offensive and disrespectful, you whine like a brat and act brave. Be a man and let's dance!Ah yes, the threat of violence covered with the "let's get beers." Again how does that refute the document? It doesn't. If that's disrespect to you, so be it. Your handing me an "ass whooping" wouldn't refute what was said in that document. Nor would it erase ALL of the threads on the internet.

Skill and fighting ability does not negate whether someone fabricated, lied, or changed their history. That is in general is true of all arts and teachers. From Shaolin-do to the self awarded BJJ Black Belts, someone telling a lie is separate from their skill and fighting prowess. This is something you conveniently leave out when you start ranting about my "admissions."

Listen Up, do you have any video or anything you can point us to that showcases your martial talents?

Once again, you twist without response, and yet you still offer disrespect. I never said, "let's get beers". I said I'd buy you one and send you on your way. As far as violence goes...what exactly do you think Martial Arts is? You discredit me and my teachers. I have offered to meet you face to face and settle the matter.
You've met my students, and previously, recanted and admitted there were major differences in comparing CSC with Lexington. Now, once again, you are back on your old worn-out soapbox. Please...meet me in August. That gives you 4 months to get ready.

Do I have videos...we didn't film any of my kickboxing matches. I will be competing in the tournament this fall in Lexington. I have given my name and location. I will be at Bill Wallace's seminar on Aug 25th in Arbingdon, VA.
I have nothing to hide. I am fairly well-known around my area, though I could care less. I am respectful to other martial artists, and normally a very easy going person. I guess I could video me teaching class or showing kicking/boxing drills for you.
I am about 6' and weigh about 215-220, weight train 4 days a week and teach 5 days a week. For my personal training: boxing, wallace kicking methods, ninjutsu for most grappling, along with Jiu-Jitsu. I am also 54 years old, but haven't lost anything yet! ;)

Once again, you twist without response, and yet you still offer disrespect. I never said, "let's get beers". Oh good lord.



I said I'd buy you one and send you on your way. As far as violence goes...what exactly do you think Martial Arts is? You discredit me and my teachers. I have offered to meet you face to face and settle the matter. I said nope. Now, you can rant, rave, call me a *****, explain how martial arts is for fighting and that you win all day long. Does it negate what is in that document? Nope.



You've met my students, and previously, recanted and admitted there were major differences in comparing CSC with Lexington. Now, once again, you are back on your old worn-out soapbox. Please...meet me in August. That gives you 4 months to get ready.Why? Will it erase that document and the admissions in it? No. Then I am good, you are the one upset and trying to stretch this to ALL of your teachers. Yes, the same worn out soapbox you are on with the "I will threaten you with violence if you don't shut up!"

I have ALWAYS said SD and CSC were two different entities. I have always said SDers have decent to good fighters. There was never an ADMISSION or RECANTATION, just you assuming every SD hater is my account.

I never said you were a *****...just a disrespectful punk.
I have answered your allegations regarding the deposition.
You keep ignoring the answers.
You act as if my decades of training is fabricated. You've disrespected people youve never even met or crossed hands with. You say I am " ranting"...then what do you call what you're doing?
The truth is...you are just a wannabe real martial artist, who hates the fact that you wasted time and money with CSC, and you want to take it out on anyone who will listen. You have no honor, and therefore no tradition to worry about.
Go ahead...rant on that.

I never said you were a *****...just a disrespectful punk.
I have answered your allegations regarding the deposition.
You keep ignoring the answers.
You act as if my decades of training is fabricated. You've disrespected people youve never even met or crossed hands with. You say I am " ranting"...then what do you call what you're doing?
The truth is...you are just a wannabe real martial artist, who hates the fact that you wasted time and money with CSC, and you want to take it out on anyone who will listen. You have no honor, and therefore no tradition to worry about.
Go ahead...rant on that.Yes, you are 100% correct.

Now, since I am dishonorable, nontraditional, and wasteful do you have anything, other than opinion, to refute what was said in that document?

Once again...GM Sin said in the doc that he created short kata 1-30, sparring tech 1-20, and some of the beginners long forms. I concurr. Yes he did...and this was well known in the 60's and 70's.
Ok...anything else?