Scrapper's on. And to reply to the poster, my excuse is that I'm not on HGH. And it's completely valid.

Scrapper's on. And to reply to the poster, my excuse is that I'm not on HGH. And it's completely valid.

Whats completely valid? Are you 73 and still training your ass off? My point is at 73 whats the big deal with him taking hgh?

He has never revealed what his levels are. He still does not motivate. If anything, he is broadcasting, "Buy my program and you WON'T have to work as ahrd or get older."

It's a viable business model, but terrible for inspiration...

Well, at 73 test levels get pretty low. If he is pushing a certain workout program, and not revealing that he is taking hgh as part of that program then I would tend to agree with you.

Whats completely valid? Are you 73 and still training your ass off? My point is at 73 whats the big deal with him taking hgh?

Because it doesn't say "He's 73, oh and he's fucking roided out on hormones. Your excuse is invalid." There is implicit deception in that photograph - the lie is that he got that way JUST through hard work. He didn't He also got jacked up on a treatment that would make a 12 year old boy turn into Mr. Universe.

So no, this isn't about how hard you train. This is about how you get the end result in the photograph. And that end result wasn't achieved by just working harder than everyone else.

If I had the scratch to look like that at 73...I'd pay it.

Because it doesn't say "He's 73, oh and he's fucking roided out on hormones. Your excuse is invalid." There is implicit deception in that photograph - the lie is that he got that way JUST through hard work. He didn't He also got jacked up on a treatment that would make a 12 year old boy turn into Mr. Universe.

So no, this isn't about how hard you train. This is about how you get the end result in the photograph. And that end result wasn't achieved by just working harder than everyone else.

It does say he is 73 look at the photo at the beginning of the thread its right there in bold letters, and no reason to start cursing about it. Do you know exactly how much test and hgh he is taking? No, I didn't think so. Lots of people get prescriptions for test and hgh. Some abuse it and pay the price, but a lot don't. At 73 your test levels are very low, and hormone replacement therapy is becoming more common. Does he say he got that way just by working out? I can't find it either way. If he is saying that he got that way just through working out then you'd be right at the deception arguement.

Oh and next time before flying off the handle like a 12 year old maybe you should actually read what I said in my posts. I never once said anything about how hard you train that was Scrapper. My point to him was that a fighters workout is much different than a body builders.

It does say he is 73 look at the photo at the beginning of the thread its right there in bold letters,

You misread. "He's 73, oh and he's fucking roided out on hormones. Your excuse is invalid." The bold underlined would be the part that's omitted, and that I'm objecting to.


and no reason to start cursing about it.

Seriously?


Do you know exactly how much test and hgh he is taking?

More than is mentioned in the poster, which is the issue.


No, I didn't think so. Lots of people get prescriptions for test and hgh. Some abuse it and pay the price, but a lot don't. At 73 your test levels are very low, and hormone replacement therapy is becoming more common. Does he say he got that way just by working out? I can't find it either way. If he is saying that he got that way just through working out then you'd be right at the deception arguement.

If someone says "You can achieve A by doing B!" and neglects to mention that other steps have been performed which are critical to achieving A, the speaker is either being dishonest by omission or negligent in delivering a complete argument.


Oh and next time before flying off the handle like a 12 year old

Please show me where I "flew off the handle".


maybe you should actually read what I said in my posts. I never once said anything about how hard you train that was Scrapper. My point to him was that a fighters workout is much different than a body builders.

That's nice. None of that is in the poster. I'm not objecting to your posts or what you said. I'm objecting to the content of the picture, and the implications therein. It is, in my opinion, this kind of dishonesty by silence that has led much of my generation to seek out steroids and PEDs, and not even for competition. Simply to live up to standards that are actually impossible to reach without them.

No drugs for me thanks. All the grand masters I've seen don't need them, neither do I.

No drugs for me thanks. All the grand masters I've seen don't need them, neither do I.
I dunno man, you have to be pretty high to think Karate works in the real world. I call shenanigans.

No drugs for me thanks. All the grand masters I've seen don't need them, neither do I.
Ip Man and Bruce Lee disagree.

Ip Man and Bruce Lee disagree.

We know Nick Diaz ain't gonna comply.

Ip Man and Bruce Lee disagree.

Yeah, but they are both dead. Ip Man of throat cancer no less (damn tough way to go out). Bet the MF would still be kickin' without the drugs.

My excuse? I don't earn enough money to take the kind of drugs required to have that sort of a body.

My excuse? I don't earn enough money to take the kind of drugs required to have that sort of a body.

Lazy hippy. GET A JOB (that allows you to afford $3,000 treatments at a regular clip)!!!!!!!111!!1!!!1ELEVENTY11!!!

If, at 73, I am able to afford to waste 45,000 dollars a year on pharmaceuticals to allow me to work out more and develop pretty pecs, then I wouldn't need pretty pecs.

Because I will be signed up as a popular sugar daddy on seekingarrangement.com, and if any hand-to-hand combat should arise I will simply snap my fingers, point, and have my bodyguards take care of it.

If, at 73, I am able to afford to waste 45,000 dollars a year on pharmaceuticals to allow me to work out more and develop pretty pecs, then I wouldn't need pretty pecs.

Because I will be signed up as a popular sugar daddy on seekingarrangement.com, and if any hand-to-hand combat should arise I will simply snap my fingers, point, and have my bodyguards take care of it.

Not to mention you could pay your girl to self medicate till you APPEAR more attractive to her.