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doofaloofa
5/31/2011 1:50pm,
I have been asked by my sensei to put together a self defense class for our Judo club

Can ye suggest throws for the list below

The Ten Most Common Street Attacks (most frequent first)

1. One person pushes, hands to chest, which
is normally followed by a punch to the head as the
person being pushed pushes back.

2. A swinging punch to the head.

3. A front clothing grab, one handed,
followed by punch to the head.

4. A front clothing grab, two hands, followed
by a head butt.

5. A front clothing grab, two hands, followed
by a knee to the groin.

6. A bottle, glass, or ashtray to the head.

7. A lashing kick to groin/lower legs.

8. A broken bottle/glass jabbed to face.

9. A slash with knife, most commonly a 3 to
4" lock blade knife or kitchen utility knife.
(Apart from muggings, sexual assaults and gang
violence, the hunting/combat type knife is
seldom used)

10. A grappling style head lock.


My plan is to take each attack, say one per month, and drill in the corresponding throws. By the end of the year the Judoka should have a fine arsnel to defend against any trouble they may run up against

Lu Tze
5/31/2011 2:09pm,
This is the definition of dead training IMO.

Learn to establish a clinch in these situations, not to do a specific throw by rote. As a Judoka, once you've got hold of them you're in familiar territory.

Really though, half of these could easily be avoided completely (i.e. don't get into shoving matches...). Others are a little out there (there is no defence against being glassed in the face, other than to not be).

CrackFox
5/31/2011 2:19pm,
If you're planning on putting a self defence class together, and you need to ask questions on the internet about it, then you probably shouldn't be putting a self defence class together.

Grey Owl
5/31/2011 2:22pm,
I have been asked by my sensei to put together a self defense class for our Judo club

Can ye suggest throws for the list below

The Ten Most Common Street Attacks (most frequent first)

1. One person pushes, hands to chest, which
is normally followed by a punch to the head as the
person being pushed pushes back.

2. A swinging punch to the head.

3. A front clothing grab, one handed,
followed by punch to the head.

4. A front clothing grab, two hands, followed
by a head butt.

5. A front clothing grab, two hands, followed
by a knee to the groin.

6. A bottle, glass, or ashtray to the head.

7. A lashing kick to groin/lower legs.

8. A broken bottle/glass jabbed to face.

9. A slash with knife, most commonly a 3 to
4" lock blade knife or kitchen utility knife.
(Apart from muggings, sexual assaults and gang
violence, the hunting/combat type knife is
seldom used)

10. A grappling style head lock.


My plan is to take each attack, say one per month, and drill in the corresponding throws. By the end of the year the Judoka should have a fine arsnel to defend against any trouble they may run up against

If my experience with the local judo club is anything to go by any experienced judoka will deal with these attacks using what they have learned from randori and shiai which is usually more than enough.

Anything else will be mostly window dressing.

Permalost
5/31/2011 2:31pm,
Why did your sensei ask you to do a self defense class? Are you more qualified?

doofaloofa
5/31/2011 3:18pm,
Why did your sensei ask you to do a self defense class? Are you more qualified?
Well he knows I have an interest in the subject and i think he is providing me with an oppertunity to show leadership, partly to increase the clubs overall skill set and keep us all on our toes, but partly to see what I am made of. It is easy to slide into complacency when we are all familiar with each other as fighters, and the routine of training.

As to your critisim CrackFox, I have my own ideas, but I am interested to hear the opinion of other more technically qualified and experianced Judoka. Feel free to not participate if you feel so inclined, but i would be interested to hear your opinion

judoka_uk
5/31/2011 4:20pm,
What grade are you and how long have you been doing Judo?

doofaloofa
5/31/2011 5:26pm,
What grade are you and how long have you been doing Judo?
Orange
3 years

judoka_uk
5/31/2011 6:18pm,
Orange
3 years
And your self-defence experience/ qualifications?

ty5
5/31/2011 7:07pm,
One of reasons why I like my Judo class is that no one ever mentions anything about self defence.

BKR
5/31/2011 7:12pm,
Orange
3 years

I'm going to be nice.

You have no business teaching self defense applications of Judo. You have no business teaching any Judo period. If your sensei has to ask you to do this for him, then I'd say he shouldn't be teaching self defense applications of Judo either, because if he knew anything, he wouldn't be asking an orange belt to research it for him.

I can see him getting you to research as some sort of project for your development, and if that's the case, OK.

Aikironin21
5/31/2011 9:28pm,
I am not familiar with Judo, but are you suggesting throwing someone who you have an argument with and it has escalated to the point he pushes you? I guess it would solidify your stance in the argument, but when the police interview witnesses, would they have perceived you as defending yourself, or being a bully? Are there techniques in Judo with a parity of force on par with a push? I have only seen highlights where people are thrown pretty hard.

maofas
5/31/2011 10:38pm,
Students would learn far more just by doing randori with one person attempting to throw the other who is windmilling with 16 oz gloves on than engaging in dead uke-attacks-like-this-tori-steps-here-and-does-that type drills.

BKR
5/31/2011 11:21pm,
Students would learn far more just by doing randori with one person attempting to throw the other who is windmilling with 16 oz gloves on than engaging in dead uke-attacks-like-this-tori-steps-here-and-does-that type drills.

That's assuming they can even do a simple throw against a uke who is simply standing their or walking forward. Which for most orange belts in my experience is probably not true,let along throw someone in normal non-punching randori.

To use Judo for self defense requires one to be proficient at Judo, against judoka. That is why the Goshin Jutsu of Judo is considered an advanced form of training (in Judo at least).

Ben

Grey Owl
6/01/2011 4:35am,
That's assuming they can even do a simple throw against a uke who is simply standing their or walking forward. Which for most orange belts in my experience is probably not true,let along throw someone in normal non-punching randori.

To use Judo for self defense requires one to be proficient at Judo, against judoka. That is why the Goshin Jutsu of Judo is considered an advanced form of training (in Judo at least).

Ben

I suspected as much so the OP can really take from this: Stop worring about SD. Get good at judo first.

oplus
6/01/2011 5:49am,
As a sankyu, I don't know a whole lot, but I've learned one thing: if a parade of black belts tells you something, and you're an orange belt, you should listen to them. In Judo, the belt's not simply decorative, or even simply a marker of muscular reflex. It's a sign that they don't have their heads that deep in their asses.