You idiots thinking he doesn't want to wrestle her because it is sexual are fucking wrong. I feel like beating the **** out of for being stupid. It wasn't about fear or sex it was about how he treats women. .

Yeah, I may be wrong. I guess I am way too cynical in this day and age to believe that the kid is standing on a moral high ground. I've just seen too many priests, cops, legislators, and teachers turn out to be child molesters to be able to imagine a person who has such pure standards.

But that doesn't mean I'm not wrong. And that doesn't make me an idiot either.

Yeah, I may be wrong. I guess I am way too cynical in this day and age to believe that the kid is standing on a moral high ground. I've just seen too many priests, cops, legislators, and teachers turn out to be child molesters to be able to imagine a person who has such pure standards.

But that doesn't mean I'm not wrong. And that doesn't make me an idiot either.

When you jump to an assumption like that it does make you an idiot. It makes you just as bad as any racist out there.

The young man forfeited based on his convictions. Props to him on that front.

What are the grownups thoughts on letting my daughter join the wrestling team?

I would definitely let her join!! It could lead to better things in her life, or she could hate it. But this is the time in her life when she should be exploring these things which will shape her future. I don't know what the scene is like where you are, but my son has wrestled on the local team and there were a couple of girls wrestling there. The parents had some issues, but the kids didn't. There was no ego on the mats. They wrestled hard, and I never saw it as an issue.

When you jump to an assumption like that it does make you an idiot. It makes you just as bad as any racist out there.

And yet you make assumptions about me as well. Rather than just disagreeing, you immediately jump to classifying people's intelligence as idiot, and put them in the same category as a racist. That I find insulting.

Well, to post again. About... 95% of wrestlers in high school are usually ALWAYS wrestling other dudes. The whole fight her like a opponent thing is usually not introduced.

And yet you make assumptions about me as well. Rather than just disagreeing, you immediately jump to classifying people's intelligence as idiot, and put them in the same category as a racist. That I find insulting.His is trying to be insulting. Considering that misogyny and sexism is consider as bad as racism, in many quarters, it is in the same category.

Also, the fact you are holding a teenager, still emotionally growing and all that, accountable for your problems with adults is very strange.

The young man forfeited based on his convictions. Props to him on that front.
I would have wrestled her but i agree with this.
It's called autonomy and he paid the consequences, and still is paying i might add.



What are the grownups thoughts on letting my daughter join the wrestling team?
Awesome!
I know quite a few female wrestlers, Judoka and BJJ players.
My friends daughter wrestled throughout HS and loved it.
A good friend is a coach at these kids' school, your daughter has her work cut out for her.
:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG2MCxGqewc

Hawai'i is also home to the first all girls wrestling event, to avoid just this type of thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzJnejL7InI

I don't know about where some of you grew up, but in Colorado where I'm from it was pretty common to see at least 1 girl on each HS wrestling team. I don't think there's any disputing that it's a lot tougher on the girl to join an all boy team for a whole season than it is for a boy to wrestle a girl for 1 match.

So in my viewpoint, even if the boy's reasons for refusing to wrestle the girl were well-intentioned, they were wrong. He disrespected a fellow athlete, one who had clearly already proven herself by qualifying for the state tournament. Along with treating women right, I'm pretty sure good sportsmanship was highly valued in the good old days as well.

I imagine most of the people who genuinely don't have any issue with it at all have had the opportunity to get used to mixed sex grappling in a less high pressure situation than a public tournament final.

I went to my first bjj seminar last year, and there were females there. I didn't get to roll with them, but I thought about it at the time, and would have felt a bit weird about it. I'd still have done it though, and understand the problem was mine.

That said, It's not that sexualisizing it is a big issue, or that worrying how aggressive to be is a big issue, or its comparitive rarity is a big issue, etc. All of these as small issues add up enough, that I think feeling initially uncomfortable must be pretty normal and forgivable.

Its what happens next, and how you behave while having those feelings that counts.

As for encouraging a daughter to wrestle - go for it. It won't just be good for her, it'll also be good for the guys she fights, and subsequently good for the sport.

In all seriousness this is a sad case of youthful ignorance. In his blessed little sexist heart He thinks he's physically superior to all women and they deserve to be cared for like glass menageries but....

As I've read the story....the kid is young, naive, raised a certain way that is against the grain of more progressive culture...poor, dumb rube. Maybe this whole experience will be an awakening for him to the wider world of women who kick ass in sport.

As Garfield would say "big fat hairy deal".

if this is the case then the whole no violence against
woman campaign is sexist.

if a guy come and punches me in the face and I
hit him back its ok
ifa girl punches me in the face I am expected to be a gentleman
and not hurt heris is generally accepted in moden day society
so why cant this kid apply the same concept to a combat sport like wrestling or MMA.

if a blk dude punches me in the face and I retaliate its fine
as long as I am not retaliating,bcuz he is black so the same concept
can not be applied to race.

You might want to retype that because, even filling in the blanks, it still doesn't support that sexism and racism are as far apart as you are implying.

And yet you make assumptions about me as well. Rather than just disagreeing, you immediately jump to classifying people's intelligence as idiot, and put them in the same category as a racist. That I find insulting.
Good you should be insulted now stop and think.


I would definately wrestle a girl. I have wrestled them in the past. And I have to admit, I was turned on by the whole thing. But as far as I am concerned, if she put herself in the situation, she should be aware that it is a possibility. Simmilarly, if I wrestle a guy, and he is a homosexual(whether I know or not), I am putting myself in that situation, and if he gets turned on then it is what it is.

I'm not buying the religion excuse. I think that was a cop-out and it was really just the family being sexist against female wrestlers.
You are not buying his excuse and assume its a co-op because the family are sexist?
By all means show me any proof of him or his family having misogynistic tendencies.
Accusing someone without any proof would be idiotic wouldn't it. Especially in a country where one is innocent until proven guilty.

Again I ask would De la Hoya be a sexist for not taking a fight with Freeda Foreman if he was 1) raised to hit women and 2) in a sport where he has always competed against the other male opponents?

The correct answer is NO.

I got my tail whopped by a girl last bjj training.. yes she has a higher skill level than me.. so what?

Now to the next issue that is bound to appear in this thread. "Are you ever aroused when grappling a girl?" -- the short answer is no. The long answer is that you should have a medal if your able to get a woody during training and that all the sex issue etc goes out the window when your about to get choked out or whatever.

WOW! I got trolled.

Now to the next issue that is bound to appear in this thread. "Are you ever aroused when grappling a girl?"



Have you actually read the thread? That issue has come up repeatedly.

And I agree, if you get aroused by a woman you are fighting...you've already lost the match, my friend. Nature beat you.

Take it from me, I am married.

From Yahoo news: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110218/ap_on_sp_ot/us_girl_wrestler_default

It seems to me that some people on this board are quite overly sensitive about this gender issue. It seems like you are projecting your beliefs onto these two seemingly decent kids. Who handled the actual situation 1000 times better than people are handling the discussion about it.

DES MOINES, Iowa – Cassy Herkelman would have rather wrestled Joel Northrup than to become by default the first girl to ever win a match in Iowa's state tournament. But the 14-year-old said Friday she didn't feel slighted when he refused to wrestle her because she was a girl.

He had the right to make his own choice, and he made his choice," said Herkelman, one of two girls in this year's tournament. "It's not like he did what he didn't want to do."

"That's their belief, and I praise them for sticking to it. This is the biggest stage in wrestling in the state, I would say, and they stuck to their beliefs when it probably tested it the most," she said. "It was probably a tough pill for him to swallow."

Herkelman said it would be a "lot more fun and more exciting" if girls could wrestle other girls in Iowa instead of having to face boys.

Since WHEN do people who stand up for their own belief system deserve ridicule? Thank you BS PC patrol for ensuring that the overreacting women with huge chips on their shoulder are well represented(PC a subtle form a fascism?). Girls should wrestle other girls in competition unless there is a pre-arranged understanding and both parties agree. It's not inherently sexual but it could be depending on what is going through their heads(WHICH WE DON'T FREAKING KNOW REALLY). With all of the MABS groping dbags that get exposed by this site its really suprising that the ladies feel this way. Maybe he was attracted to her and didn't want to hurt someone he was attracted to because that's how he's wired... Maybe he saw his mom/sis get beatdown as a kid and it traumatized him. Maybe he's just a traditionalist with his beliefs.

Ladies who are talking about erections and whats required: "Your out of your element Donnie." -The Big Lewbowski 16 years old is not 14 but it can still be pretty random/uncontrollable.

Don't project your BS on a poor kid who is simply standing up for his beliefs(whether you agree with them or not). It's such an easy thing to paint people as sexists/racists/religious nuts etc based on little to no information. This is just another manifestation of the PC witch hunt in full swing.

Rock on(forgive the pun) both people involved who are willing to stand up for their belief and conversely the girl who was willing to respect that.

**** political correctness and the people who perpetuate such BS. I just hope they do the RIGHT thing(IMO) and decide to develop a girls wrestling team. Those two girls, who lost every single match except the forefit, might very well be the best girls in the state at their weight class.

There was again a episode of Southpark that addresses these issues of oppression by the PC dbags: Death Camp of Tolerence season 6 episode 14.