Gidday all I am just wondering for those who have practiced either or both which one you find is more self defense savvy? and what is the difference? I have done Bujinkan before and didnt grade and now regret it and want to try Genbukan as there are no Bujinkan teachers close to me.

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If you can find a good teacher in either org, and insist on Ninpo, then go for it. Genbukan has a cohesive syllabus worldwide, Bujinkan tends not to. Genbukan focuses on Kihon, and strict form, whereas Bujinkan, in my experience, works on flow. I belong to the Genbukan, and both orgs have their own issues, but have found it to be good overall.

cheers I did Bujinkan and it we were taught to adapt to everything that came at us and flow from one thing to the next I enjoyed it and it has come in handy as a security guard so I want to continue with it but my teacher is on the other side of the city and am tossing up whether to buy the Genbukan DVDs or not :S cheers for your advice

If you want applicable self defense you are choosing the most difficult and convoluted path when you choose to learn a system via video courses.

That is not even getting into the serious issues of how poorly it the techniques are taught, IN PERSON, within the groups you have mentioned.

Or the general level of applicable skills shown in any sort of environment by those groups.

I beg to differ true that in America people are more gullible to the ninja fad in New Zealand we are a little bit brighter and dont follow people with "mystical powers" my teacher in Bujinkan Taijutsu always taught what hatsumi teaches as well and thats to evolve to the situation and that theres no rules so dont worry about breaking an arm or a leg. I have taken Boxing lessons from people that have never been in a fight outside a ring and think its the same, I have done JJJ and BJJ and neither of which I find practicale for self defense the Taijutsu I have been taught has been straight forward and to the point so why go with anything else??? Its served me well so far why stop a good thing

I beg to differ true that in America people are more gullible to the ninja fad in New Zealand we are a little bit brighter and dont follow people with "mystical powers" my teacher in Bujinkan Taijutsu always taught what hatsumi teaches as well and thats to evolve to the situation and that theres no rules so dont worry about breaking an arm or a leg. I have taken Boxing lessons from people that have never been in a fight outside a ring and think its the same, I have done JJJ and BJJ and neither of which I find practicale for self defense the Taijutsu I have been taught has been straight forward and to the point so why go with anything else??? Its served me well so far why stop a good thing

If they train like this, then you're good:

YouTube - What is Aliveness - Matt Thornton (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3r-G33oKHc)

They almost definitely don't, but it's worth a shot.

I beg to differ true that in America people are more gullible to the ninja fad in New Zealand we are a little bit brighter and dont follow people with "mystical powers" my teacher in Bujinkan Taijutsu always taught what hatsumi teaches as well and thats to evolve to the situation and that theres no rules so dont worry about breaking an arm or a leg. I have taken Boxing lessons from people that have never been in a fight outside a ring and think its the same, I have done JJJ and BJJ and neither of which I find practicale for self defense the Taijutsu I have been taught has been straight forward and to the point so why go with anything else??? Its served me well so far why stop a good thing

What is it exactly that you are looking for ?

The things you speak do not add up. I am forced to assume that either you know not what you speak or that you are trolling.

The fact that you veered completely off topic tends to reinforce the latter.

For the sake of discussion I have a few questions.

What do you think you need as far as self defense goes ?

Which video series are you wanting to check out and how exactly do you think this series will impart the self defense needs you speak of ?

I have done JJJ and BJJ and neither of which I find practicale for self defense the Taijutsu I have been taught has been straight forward and to the point so why go with anything else??? Its served me well so far why stop a good thing

I'm curious why you believe the techniques and training methods of Taijutsu were more practical for self-defense than boxing or BJJ.

Taijutsu, Booj or Genbukan flavors, is essentially another JJJ system, so I'm curious what JJJ experience you have to compare it to. JJJ is a pretty diverse field. Your style field indicates Aikijujutsu, so I'm also curious about your experience with this and why you do or don't consider it practical for self-defense purposes.

What kind of security work do you do? Is that influencing your choice of martial arts?

What doesnt add up? Iam looking for self deense that prepares me for worse case scenario and gives me simple options so that I dont have to think "twist arm here, step here nudge here and he should fall over" I like Bujinkan because the philosophy is simple and direct and contains techniques for most eventualities. The DVDs are http://www.genbukan.org/cgi-bin/site.pl?genbukan_techniques most of which I know already but having something to refer back to is always good :D
Self defense as in I wont get someone sneak up in the dark behind me at work and knock me over the head with a piece of 2x4

Yeah thanks very similar to that video for example we all did evading a kick 50% the first time we learnt after that it went to 80% then 100% so that we got the mechanics timing and distancing all correct

I work in security rule number 1 is dont go the ground because if theres a 2nd guy somewhere your gonna get your head stomped in and put in hospital, JJJ was to overly technical for me and I lost patience with aikijujutsu as the teacher took forever to teach one technique and never really got past the first kyu :S as for boxing I am 5'9 theres alot of people bigger and stronger than me and in all respects can beat the daylights out of me without trying if you can find a guy to teach you dirty boxing sure but that doesnt look good in court for a security guard lol

What doesnt add up? Iam looking for self deense that prepares me for worse case scenario and gives me simple options so that I dont have to think "twist arm here, step here nudge here and he should fall over" I like Bujinkan because the philosophy is simple and direct and contains techniques for most eventualities. The DVDs are http://www.genbukan.org/cgi-bin/site.pl?genbukan_techniques most of which I know already but having something to refer back to is always good :D
Self defense as in I wont get someone sneak up in the dark behind me at work and knock me over the head with a piece of 2x4

Why are you asking for advice when you're not looking for it? You want to be a ninja (not to be mistaken for those gullible ninjers in America) with eyes in your back and a +1 in defense against wooden weaponry. Go for it. Be what you can be, I say.

LOL cheers never really thought of myself as a ninja but thank you for the encouragement and I asked for advice as to which one was more comprehensive genbukan or bujinkan. cheers

Remembering to eat your carrots and not listen to your iPod while working is far more crucial in not getting snuck up on in the dark than the choice between Bujinkan or Genbukan. Or any other martial art for that matter, with the exception of Seeheardo.

You asked which one was more self defense savvy. This indicates that you're interested in just that. You have been told that neither Bujinkan nor Genbukan can be seen as the easiest route in this regard. If your goal truly was self defense, you wouldn't artificially narrow the choice like you do. If you enjoy Bujinkan (and possibly Genbukan) more than other arts, then that's another matter.

You're also sending mixed messages all over the place. You state that you find Bujinkan good for your self defense needs, stating you've learned that "theres no rules so dont worry about breaking an arm or a leg", and then you disregard dirty boxing as a legal liability? As for staying off the ground, you disregard arts that could help you get up if taken down, or avoid the takedown entirely (BJJ).

Attend a free lesson in Genbukan and see for yourself the differences from your Bujinkan dojo. If you don't like JJJ, chances are you might be disappointed with Genbukan.

LOL cheers never really thought of myself as a ninja but thank you for the encouragement and I asked for advice as to which one was more comprehensive genbukan or bujinkan. cheers

They're generally both equally retarded, full of impractical techniques poorly trained against compliant partners, take your pick.