Spungdeeper
11/13/2010 9:24pm,
small preamble:
I recently started judo and am particularly drawn to the ne waza, partly because I do well and it (for a noob) and partly because I seem to pick up the ne waza faster than the tachi waza. I feel like I am finally getting the 'feel' of some of the throws but can't claim to be really effective in randori with any of them.
Because of my ne waza inclinations and the complexity of Bjj's ground game, I'd like to study both bjj and Judo. So here's my question for those that do both or have done both, should I stick with Judo for a couple of years and then do some bjj too, or is it beneficial to study them as a noob simultaneously?
Brazzzuka
11/13/2010 9:26pm,
I would strongly suggest cross training both at the same time. Both of these arts complement each other very well.
goodlun
11/13/2010 9:43pm,
It really depends on what it is you want to do? Why are you training? It also depends on where you are training and how they train.
I for one say cross train they both offer up good things for your overall grappling game.
how ever I would read this blog entry real quick as it covers a few points but it does go off on a tangent some.
http://blog.betterjudo.com/letter-to-a-dad/#more-767
ojgsxr6
11/13/2010 9:43pm,
Do both, throwing isn't easy but once you get it, it's fun and awesome. Don't sleep on ne waza either, just because it's easier now doesn't mean once you start working with better people it's gonna be as easy to slap on that armbar or that choke. You're going to have to set it up just like you have to setup a throw
Spungdeeper
11/13/2010 10:11pm,
Thanks guys. The only other hurdle I have is convincing my wife that I need to be out training that much. oh well.
Brazzzuka
11/13/2010 11:12pm,
Just tell her that you doing all this training to protect her (*_*)
marcusdbrutus
11/13/2010 11:15pm,
Plus, judo and BJJ are excellent for endurance and flexibility between the sheets.
Someone here said it before, but if you don't use your grappling skills to deep-dick your chick, you're doing a disservice to the arts.
W. Rabbit
11/13/2010 11:21pm,
Plus, judo and BJJ are excellent for endurance and flexibility between the sheets.
Someone here said it before, but if you don't use your grappling skills to deep-dick your chick, you're doing a disservice to the arts.
^ this
Spungdeeper
11/14/2010 12:07am,
Plus, judo and BJJ are excellent for endurance and flexibility between the sheets.
Someone here said it before, but if you don't use your grappling skills to deep-dick your chick, you're doing a disservice to the arts.
lol. I could just see it,
"hey baby check out my juji goes-to-your-tummy,"
"gross, how many guys did you practice that with tonight?"
"Alot, but none of them are as pretty as you, gigity-gigity."
omoplatypus
11/14/2010 1:37am,
BJJ guys typically don't like getting thrown (side effect of to much buttscooting/guard pulling).
judo guys typically don't have a fully fleshed out newaza game (side effect of rule system, not technique bank).
train both, plug two holes in your overall grappling game, go to tournaments, win, ?????, profit!
judoka_uk
11/14/2010 6:29am,
Actually I don't think you should train both at the same time. Judo and BJJ have very different styles of play on the ground and very different approaches to newaza although the techniques are the same.
Also you will always progress faster in newaza than you will in tachiwaza this is true for nearly everyone except the particularly athletically gifted. Tachiwaza requries much greater coordination skills than newaza and for a variety of other complex reasons is harder to learn.
If you want to learn groundwork then you will probably get better coaching at your local BJJ gym then you will at your local Judo club unless it is an unusually good Judo club. So take BJJ then after a couple of years of BJJ you can start cross training in Judo to round out your grappling game by adding in some better stand up than most BJJ schools will teach.
If you want to learn Judo then learn Judo and then after a couple of years when you are starting to have a handle on Judo then think about cross training in BJJ to add some finesse to your newaza and round it out a little.
Don't do both at once as a beginner.
PointyShinyBurn
11/15/2010 7:46am,
Actually I don't think you should train both at the same time. Judo and BJJ have very different styles of play on the ground and very different approaches to newaza although the techniques are the same.The approaches are complementary, not antagonistic.
Don't do both at once as a beginner. Disagree completely. Train as many days of Judo as your club runs then fill in the gaps with some extra BJJ sessions. More mat time is almost always a good thing.
bigstu31s
11/15/2010 11:22am,
Actually I don't think you should train both at the same time. Judo and BJJ have very different styles of play on the ground and very different approaches to newaza although the techniques are the same.
Also you will always progress faster in newaza than you will in tachiwaza this is true for nearly everyone except the particularly athletically gifted. Tachiwaza requries much greater coordination skills than newaza and for a variety of other complex reasons is harder to learn.
If you want to learn groundwork then you will probably get better coaching at your local BJJ gym then you will at your local Judo club unless it is an unusually good Judo club. So take BJJ then after a couple of years of BJJ you can start cross training in Judo to round out your grappling game by adding in some better stand up than most BJJ schools will teach.
If you want to learn Judo then learn Judo and then after a couple of years when you are starting to have a handle on Judo then think about cross training in BJJ to add some finesse to your newaza and round it out a little.
Don't do both at once as a beginner.
I wouldn't miss a Judo lesson to do BJJ but if you have lots of spare time and the BJJ training isn't going to impact on your Judo training then by all means do both.
goodlun
11/15/2010 1:17pm,
I wouldn't miss a Judo lesson to do BJJ but if you have lots of spare time and the BJJ training isn't going to impact on your Judo training then by all means do both.
Of course if he has spare time he may be able to simply do more Judo.
Once again it sort of goes back to his motivations. If he wants to be one hell of a Judo player doing more Judo is probably best. If he just wants to be a good grappler than cross training may be better. It would hurt him to go to a BJJ class and see it that is what he prefers.
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