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Katriona1992
10/07/2010 10:51pm,
Aliveness- Class is noisy, but in a good way as people try to master strikes and spar. Instructors push the students really hard and I have never attended a class in which my hair wasn't wet thoroughly from my sweat by the end of the three hour session. Sparring is compulsory once you reach green belt (after a year or so) and it is full contact. Some students in our club has won medals in 'Secondary School Taekwondo Competition 2010 Hong Kong'. Only complaint is that it is WTF rules.

Gym size- Dojang is around 3000 square feet (around 298 square metres).

Equipment/Facilities- All equipment were renewed in 2007 so, by 2010, most of them are a bit worn out but generally still in good condition. Everything needed is supplied in the dojang and that includes paddles, punnching bags, stop watches, sparring gear, kick shields, target mitts and more and are all free to use by all students. Doboks can be bought for $35 (270 HKD) or rented for $2.57 (20 HKD) per use.
No showers and the lockers require payment of $0.26 (2 HKD) for one day (10am-10pm) usage.

Instructor/Student Ratio: The maximum amount of students stated in the information pamplet is 25, but there are rarely more than 20 students if its not Friday, Saturday or Sunday. More like 10-15 students on weekdays except Friday. There are four teachers instructing at any one time and one of them is always 5th dan or above.

Atmosphere/Attitude: Everyone there is there because they want to. The isntructors are strict but nice and they come off as friendly people. Instructors will often stay behind after class for no payment, especially when testing is nearing, to teach the students. They sometimes will even arrange special lessons for people who really need help for no additional fee. The serious attitude of the instructors towards learning make the students work harder too.

Striking Instruction: Very good. The instructors demonstrate each and every lesson and shows excellent knowledge of taekwondo. Not only are kicks taught, but there is a number of hand strikes too. Their punches/knife hands and kicks have all gone through oak or brick! Two of our six instructors won bronze and silver respectively in 'Hong Kong Mens' Competition 2010' (most recognized competition within Hong Kong) in their weight division. All instructors are affliated to the Chinese Taekwondo Association, Hong Kong Taekwondo Association, World Taekwondo Federation and are Kukkiwon Certified.

Grappling Instruction: There is some taught to finish a fight if the opponent loses their focus or has gone to the ground. Pretty basic but effective.

Weapons Instruction: No nunchucks. No XMA either. Sorry. Sparring, as said before is full contact but equipment such as helmets are also worn. Minor bruising happens to me nearly every lesson accompanied with the occasional twisted ankle/wrist.

I don't know where to fit this in, but there isn't a demonstration team either.

Harai Goshi
10/09/2010 8:08pm,
posted in wrong thread please delete.

Katriona1992
10/09/2010 8:26pm,
how so? this is the review section for Korean martial arts dojangs...

It is Fake
10/09/2010 8:29pm,
Read that post again slowly.

Katriona1992
10/09/2010 11:07pm,
It is Fake, are you talking to me or Harai because I double checked my post and it seems fine...

helmutlvx
10/09/2010 11:14pm,
Dear, please go read the guidelines for Dojo Reviews.

Ratings and You - Read This Before Posting Your Review - No BS MMA and Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69468)

Katriona1992
10/10/2010 8:02am,
There. I altered the rating abit according to the guidelines.

Katriona1992
10/10/2010 8:07am,
Dear, please go read the guidelines for Dojo Reviews.

Ratings and You - Read This Before Posting Your Review - No BS MMA and Martial Arts (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69468)

and I edited the post too. sorry for the mistakes :5headache

BackFistMonkey
10/10/2010 8:18am,
and I edited the post too. sorry for the mistakes :5headache

... and you are still either : not actually reading the guidelines, are completely full of ****, unable to make an unbiased review, or that is the BEST TKD school on the planet.

Katriona1992
10/11/2010 4:26am,
... and you are still either : not actually reading the guidelines, are completely full of ****, unable to make an unbiased review, or that is the BEST TKD school on the planet.

a) I did read the guidelines again...

b) no...I am not full of ****.

c) I am writing this as unbiased as I could. Its not like I get paid for praising my school. :eusa_thin

d) I won't say that it is the "best" tkd school ever (probably because I have not travelled around the globe visiting every dojang) but the instructors here are cetainly much more hardcore, strict and more caring about the students than the ones I have met whilst searching a school, both while I was back in Brooklyn, NY and in Hong Kong. Also, I've tested what I actually learned with my friends who did wing chun and muay thai and I did pretty well so I know what they teach aren't bullshit.

BackFistMonkey
10/11/2010 4:49am,
Lets start with the two most obvious and then move on from there. Keep in mind this is not personal. It is a contradiction between what you wrote, the scores you gave, and the guidelines.

1. You said no weapons training but you gave it an 8 ...

2.You are discussing breaking demos as if they have ANYTHING to do with effective striking. Which shows your ignorance of what "effective" striking is. If you are sparring under WTF rules it is not full contact.

Katriona1992
10/11/2010 5:14am,
Lets start with the two most obvious and then move on from there. Keep in mind this is not personal. It is a contradiction between what you wrote, the scores you gave, and the guidelines.

1. You said no weapons training but you gave it an 8 ...

2.You are discussing breaking demos as if they have ANYTHING to do with effective striking. Which shows your ignorance of what "effective" striking is. If you are sparring under WTF rules it is not full contact.

I agree this is nothing personal (I am not pissed or anything and I do hope you aren't either). Rather, thanks for taking the time to correct me! :happy:

1. According to 'Ratings and You', the post which is recommended for all newbies to read before posting, an 8 in weapons training is: "Hard contact with reasonable safety gear (pain and/or some blood)". It doesn't state anything about using weapons at all. Since I wear a helmet, cup and other sparring gear and come out with bruises and, a few times, a bleeding nose, I found 8 to be quite a suitable rating.

2. If a punch can go through brick, then its obviously strong. I didn't want to repeat my instructor's achievements again so thats why I wrote that. Full contact- "A (full) contact sport is any sport in which significant physical impact force (http://www.bullshido.net/wiki/Impact_force?qsrc=3044) on players, either deliberate or incidental, is allowed for within the rules of the game." WTF rules IS full contact. There are limitations- you can't hit the groin for example- but for the bits you can hit, you can hit it as hard and as often as you like...

Peace! :icon_clow

BackFistMonkey
10/11/2010 5:24am,
WTF rules state no head punching, no kicking with the shin, no kicking the legs, no knees, no elbows, no lifting the knee to block an attack ... etc.

No excessive contact is in there too...

It is not full contact.

So you really think because you use gear in empty handed sparring you get an 8 in WEAPONS INSTRUCTION ?

Katriona1992
10/11/2010 5:46am,
WTF rules state no head punching, no kicking with the shin, no kicking the legs, no knees, no elbows, no lifting the knee to block an attack ... etc.

No excessive contact is in there too...

It is not full contact.

So you really think because you use gear in empty handed sparring you get an 8 in WEAPONS INSTRUCTION ?

No excessive contact is only mentioned in ITF rules...not WTF. You get a warning or even a disqualification for injuring/knocking out your opponent in ITF matches but in your typical WTF match not hitting hard enough= no points. Also, yes, I'd admit anytime that there are alot of rules in WTF but so are there you in other arts. You are not allowed to go for the head in kyokushin karate, neither are you allowed to punch in bjj or judo. However, all three of the arts I listed are still seen as full contact arts...

As for weapons instruction...I started off by giving it N/A and then, later, a measly 1. However, after reading the rating guide, I realized that it was not the case against the guidelines. So I changed it. Personally, I don't agree that hard contact using fists and kicks only should be considered weapons instruction either...

BackFistMonkey
10/11/2010 5:49am,
Fix your scores and stop being dense please.



No excessive contact is only mentioned in ITF rules...not WTF. You get a warning or even a disqualification for injuring/knocking out your opponent in ITF matches but in your typical WTF match not hitting hard enough= no points. Also, yes, I'd admit anytime that there are alot of rules in WTF but so are there you in other arts. You are not allowed to go for the head in kyokushin karate, neither are you allowed to punch in bjj or judo. However, all three of the arts I listed are still seen as full contact arts...

As for weapons instruction...I started off by giving it N/A and then, later, a measly 1. However, after reading the rating guide, I realized that it was not the case against the guidelines. So I changed it. Personally, I don't agree that hard contact using fists and kicks only should be considered weapons instruction either...

Katriona1992
10/11/2010 5:59am,
Fix your scores and stop being dense please.

I would...if there is actually a valid reason. I have already altered them twice or thrice so its not like I am afraid to do so or something